Are Non-Messianic Jews Legalists?

I was writing a blog entry on Valentine's Day. Then this came up.

Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki

about an hour ago near Baltimore

sees almost every day, if not every day, why Non-Messianic Jews have an excuse to laugh at us: our hypocritical, out-of-bounds legalism. For example, as much as I love Samuel Rodriguez, there is no way that I'm letting him get away with connecting Ash Wednesday to Tammuz. Even if (as his legalistic friend alleges, and he realleged) the sign of the Cross is connected to Tammuz and a costume thereof (of which I have never seen nor heard), the Church redeemed it. Ever heard of tikun-ha'olam? We don't implement it, though we have the strength given to us by Yeshua Ha'Mashiach; and then we wonder why Non-Messianic Jews find us to be hypocrites who have no real interest in tzedek.

Yo veo casi todos los días, si no todos los días, por qué Judios quién son no Judios Mesiánicos tener una excusa para reírse de nosotros: nuestra hipócrita, fuera de límites legalismo. Por ejemplo, por mucho que me encanta Samuel Rodríguez, no hay manera de que yo voy a dejar que se salga con la conexión del Miércoles de Ceniza a Tamuz. Incluso si (como su amigo legalista alega, y él re-alegó) la señal de la cruz está conectado a Tamuz y un traje del mismo (de la que nunca he visto ni oído), la Iglesia ha redimido. ¿Has oído hablar de tikún-Haolam? No lo ponemos en práctica, aunque tenemos la fuerza que Ha'Mashiach Yeshua nos da, y luego nos preguntamos por qué Judios quién son no Judios Mesiánicos encuentran que somos hipócritas que no tienen ningún interés real en tzedek.

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  James Walker I thought non-messianic Jews *are* legalists... why would they fault legalistic messianics for being legalists?
  
  Furthermore, even your NT says:
  
  Matthew 6:16 “Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 17 But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly."
  
  Where does having a clergyman paint black cross on your forehead as a sign of starting a fast, and go telling your friends what you gave up for lent, fit in even with the above commandment of your messiah?
  
  Thus, I'm not following your logic either from the Judaism side, or Messianic side.

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  Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Firstly, many Non Messianics follow the spirit of Torah as opposed to the letter--even if they do not believe in the inerrancy of Torah or the rest of Tanakh, much less in Yeshua as Masiach. In fact, Reform Judaism is very clear: "This early radicalism was mentioned in the 1885 Pittsburgh Platform, which dismisses "such Mosaic and rabbinical laws as regulate diet, priestly purity and dress" as anachronisms that only obstruct spirituality in the modern age. The platform stressed that Reform Jews must only be accepting of laws that they feel "elevate and sanctify our lives" and must reject those customs and laws that are "not adapted to the views and habits of modern civilization."" (Jewish Virtual Library)
  
  Reform Judaism continues this thinking today: " Some institutions are considered to be a product of the cultural milieu and societal norms of the ancient Near East when the Hebrew Scriptures were written down, and do not speak to our lives today. In addition, Reform Jews do not ascribe to the Mishnah and Talmud the same authority which Orthodox Jews do. While the Talmud and law codes guide the lives of Orthodox Jews, it is more accurate to say that they inform the lives of Reform Jews." (http://urj.org/ask/questions/orthodox/
  

  

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  Reform Judaism even mentions that Judaism is, or at least should not be, "frozen in time". Therefore, legalism would be--for example--following some "societal norms of the ancient Near East when the Hebrew Scriptures were written down"--giving over a slave's wife and children to his owner unless he has ear awled into a door. 
  
  Besides, Yeshua made a New Covenant, not a "Renewed Covenant". The Old Covenant remains for Non-Messianic Jews (which Karaites like yourself and others frankly get). The New Covenant and the spirit of the Old Covenant are for the Messianic Jew.
  

  
  

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  Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Secondly, the intent is looked at. People who explain why they have crosses on their heads are certainly not looking for praise for doing it.

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  James Walker And how many ancient Jewish Christians rejected the Law in favor of Catholic traditions? Any sources, my friend? Ebionites or Nazarenes - they both rejected the trinity, were divided on the virgin birth, and united on the binding authority of the Torah. This is proven through documents from the 2nd century onward. Modern Messianic Jews, however, are the opposite, in most cases - being mainline evangelical protestants in beliefs and practice. How do you account for this?

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  Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I can account for that many modern Messianic Jews heed the warnings in the Apostlic Letters--since the Apostles were writing down warnings about apostasy and legalism like that of the Ebionites and Nazarenes, which has nothing to do with Catholicism unless you consider that Non-Evangelical Catholics learned well from the Christian-in-name-only cults. By the way, Maccabees is not a part of Tanakh or Brit Chadashah.

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  James Walker It's our history, just as the German Reform movement and German holocaust a century later is part of our history

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  Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki The Reformation has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Martin Luther either fell away or was a Christian in name only.

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  James Walker where does the word legalism even appear in the NT?

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  James Walker German Jewish Reform

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  James Walker He believed Jesus is Lord, and you can't say that without having the Holy Spirit, right? So whoever calls on his shall be saved, etc.

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  Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki So, Reform Jewish children are at fault, too? I see. G-d must be a sick G-d to punish children because of Reform Judaism. Look; s*** happens; life happens; the Holocaust had nothing to do with Reform Judaism. Also, not everyone who says "L-rd, L-rd" will enter Heaven; and some who do will still have been fallen away.

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  James Walker It's a covenant, with consequences. It's basic Bible

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  Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Covenant with consequences for innocent children, like my cousin Fredi, too? I see. So, Fredi, who was Orthodox, was thrown against a fence or burned in a furnace because of what Reform Jews in Germany did. Your thinking is sick, James.

The conclusion is that Non-Messianic Jews who follow all 613 mitzvot of Torah aren't legalists, because they have to follow all 613 mitzvot; whereas Messianic Jews who follow all 613 mitzvot, if they even are really Messianic, are legalists. Again, a New--not a Renewed--Covenant was made.

PS Good luck following Torah, James. Know that having fallen away is not a nice place to be in--you're still saved, but you will lose reward--the New Testament says that.

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Who Is or Will Be the Antichrist?

The Antichrist, sadly, has to be a Patrilineal Jew descended from both Judah and Joseph, and a Karaite--this will be the only type of Jew who will convince my people that he is Mashiach. How do we know this?

1. In Non-Messianic Judaism, there is the thought that Mashiach will be literally descended from both Yehudah (which is Scriptural) and Yosef (perhaps because Yosef was Ya'akov's favorite son and because Yosef stated, "Hinei, I have dreamed a chalom more; and, hinei, the shemesh and the yarei’ach and the eleven kokhavim bowed down to me." This thought does not come from Scripture itself, although we do see that Yeshua descended from (by adoption) a literal Ya'akov and Yosef--but they will not believe Yeshua, although (for all that we know) he could've been a descendant of Yosef through his matrilineal lines (since we don't know who Maryam's and Yosef's mothers were. We do know that Maryam was a kohenet through one of her matrilineal lines, though. Keep in mind that the so-called "rabbis" allowed intertribal marriages and even hired lo-kohen "kohanim"  in direct contradistinction against B'midbar 36. By the way, now you know of whom the "rabbis" are spiritual descendants.).
2. Karaite Judaism will be practiced. "Then will I sprinkle mayim tehorim upon you, and ye shall be tahor; from all your tum’a, and from all your gillulim (idols), will I make you tahor."
3. As Asher Romeo ["Romero"] ben Israel once pointed out, P'rushi Judaism is Eastern. "Therefore Thou hast abandoned Thy people Bais Ya’akov, because they have found their fullness from Kedem (the East), and practice divination like the Pelishtim, and they clasp hands contentedly with yaldei nochrim (children of foreigners)." We do indeed see this with, e.g. (as Asher noted or may have noted), Zoroastrianism (an influence on the Talmud, which Asher noted), Hinduism (HindJewism, anybody?), Buddhism (BuJews, anyone?), Kabbalh, etc..

In conclusion, the Antichrist has to be a Patrilineal Jew whom is a descendant of Yehudah and Yosef, and a Karaite.

When Bringing Criticims to Ancestry.com, Avoid Guys Like CulsenGenealogy

 This is to warn you about agenda-driven and feinshmeker genealogists who claim to be experts about everything pertaining to AncestryDNA, etc.. Watch out for them. For example (and in case CulsenGenealogy decides to be a smart aleck and delete his comments on http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=bKcutt1gPXs):


Nicole Czarnecki 21 hours ago
With all due respect, Kris, I'm going to be honest with you: AncestryDNA is a good starter test, but people who had taken it before my dad warned about problems that I should've believed them on before his results came back. For example, AncestryDNA links my dad's third cousin Kevin as his 5th-8th cousin with low (< 50%) confidence; and AncestryDNA counted Greece and "Belgarus" (whatever that is) as Eastern Europe. Use the AncestryDNA test as a starter test & stick with using the paper trail.
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CulsenGenealogy 2 days ago
I - like others whom study migration of the ancestors AND also realizes that our DNA is thousands of years old - am happy to see Kris make a video and say the same thing: your genetic history is NOT your immediate paper trail. Even if that immediate trail is up to 3-500 years ago. AND that we are the result of history in the making.
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Nicole Czarnecki 21 hours ago
That's what I thought, too--that people who were complaining about AncestryDNA "have no idea how genetic testing, and algorithms work.." and "I do not think a lot of people understand how these DNA tests work." (From TheGeneticGenealogist) Then I saw the results, and "Greece", the Balkans, and "Belgarus" as a part of Eastern Europe. Also see the comment about my cousin. As I said, use the AncestryDNA test as a starter test & stick with using the paper trail.
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CulsenGenealogy 19 hours ago
FTDNA shares the same EE country break down as Ancestry : Eastern European (Poland, Greece, Macedonia, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, Moldova, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Belgarus, Kosovo)
I am not sure what you are trying to say? you clearly are not happy with Ancestry results, so perhaps you were looking for something specific? Deep genetics are just that. A paper trail can give you some names. DNA cannot lie.
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Nicole Czarnecki 6 hours ago
I didn't say that DNA lies; I said that AncestryDNA is not as accurate. They even admit that they're in Beta. Also, the Balkans are Southeastern Europe (way different than Eastern--Slavic, Magyar, and Ruso), and Greece is Mediterranean (often considered Western, not Eastern) Europe. Also, you never addressed my comment about my cousin and "Belgarus".
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CulsenGenealogy 1 hour ago
I don't need to address anything, actually. You clearly are angry over what results you see, and are all over the internet raging about it. You just simply brought your newest rants to Kris Williams video blog.
You state that AncestryDNA is not as accurate, YET FTDNA uses the same countries, including 'Belgarus' - try looking up the history of that word. No. I will not help you. Again, you are looking for what YOU want to see, not what is there, and already known.
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Nicole Czarnecki 1 second ago
I've looked it up. "Belgarus" is a village in Iran. Nice try, though.
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See http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2012/04/02/a-review-of-ancestrydna-ancestry-coms-new-autosomal-dna-test/ for a sample of the warnings, for example. You can Google "AncestryDNA reviews", for example, as well.

Geraldo Rivera Is Not a Roman Catholic

Meanwhile, at least I know what I'm going to here on the podcast now. Anyway, being born to a Roman or other (e.g., Byzantine) Catholic does not make one a Catholic. Geraldo is a Reform Jew, although his dad (the late Cruz Rivera) was a Puerto Rican Roman Catholic. Geraldo himself has stated that he was raised "mostly Jewish". His mom, Lillian Rivera nee Lillie Friedman, is an Ethnic and Religious Jew; and (as Geraldo stated) she wanted Cruz to convert to Judaism if and when she married him, but "he never got around to" it or stopped being a Catholic layman.

Catholicism is not an ethnic grouping, whereas Jewishness is. Besides, I have a claim to Catholicism more than Geraldo does, but I myself am not a Catholic. Like Geraldo, though, I was born in an interfaith home--which eventually became a broken, divorced-parent, single-mom home. I, specifically, was born to an Anusi Ashkenazi dad and a mostly-Irish Roman-turned-English Catholic (Episcopalian) home (Mom, though, is of Jewish descent--at least through the Siedenburg-Mueller Pundts. They eventually became Anusi Protestants as well, since they had their daughter Betha Mueller baptized; and Great-Great-Granddad Pundt became Roman Catholic when he married the Irish-American Mary Ellen Green. So, Mom's mom is Jewish; but given that Mom is only 1/32 Jewish--so far as we know--she's of Jewish descent, but not Jewish.

(Mom could be Jewish, however, if--for example--Pop-Pop "McCoy" [Mom's paternal grandma's maternal granddad] was a Sephardic Jew--regardless of that he [assuming that he was Jewish] an Anusi Catholic.).

I'm, therefore, descended on both sides from Catholics--regardless of that they were a mix of Anusi and genuine, Jewish and gentile, Roman and Non-Roman Catholics. Geraldo does not have this claim. Let's also assume, just for hypotheticality's sake, that his granddad Juan Rivera--who was an Ethnic Spaniard--was actually a Sephardic Jew and Anusi Catholic. The claim that Geraldo claims to have on being Catholic would be even less; especially since Anusim really don't count as Catholic (unless, of course, they're truly Catholics who are just hiding their Ethnic Jewishness; but that is another discussion)--and I say the same of my Anusi relatives (including living relatives): unless they truly believed (or believe) Catholicism and were (or are) just hiding their Ethnic Jewishness, they were not (or are not) truly Catholic.

I was also baptized as a Roman Catholic and raised as an English Catholic, and became saved in the graveyard of Christ Episcopalian Church on Easter Day 1996 or 1997 (I still have that memory of Mom and the then-pastor Jen talking in the parking lot while I, in a blue dress and white shirt under the dress, was praying by Miriam Thomann's grave--not to or through Miriam, in case anyone is wondering; but Miriam's legacy did affect me to become saved. Incidentally, her dad--Ron--has long since been deceased, but I'm not sure whether he's buried next to her. Also, I don't know whether Miriam's mom--Alma--is still alive.).

In conclusion, Geraldo Rivera is less Catholic than I am--and I'm not religiously Catholic; though I descended from both Jewish (including Anusi) and gentile Catholics, and was baptized and raised as a Catholic.

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