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Showing posts with label Jews_for_Jesus. Show all posts
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Thursday, July 17, 2014

"Honoring Our Fathers"

Conversely, the dads need to be responsible dads in the first place. Think about Stuart Dauermann's comment to Jews for Jesus' David Brickner regarding the exploitative "That Jew Died For You" video. In this case, we could take "That Jew Died For You" for especially fathers who abuse (e.g., commit violence against and/or neglect) to their children and/or their childrens' mothers in the name of God and "well-deserved backlash...and...comments that are piling up" for "a pop culture that constantly disrespects and mocks fathers."

"You will discover that your message is not getting across, but that people are repelled, disgusted, and enraged. Paul reminds us that it is no compliment when “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.” [Romans 2:24]"

In the same way that Anti-Semitic gentiles and Anti-Messianic Jews eagerly use "That Jew Died For You" to turn Jews away from Jesus, so the world eagerly bashes the role of fatherhood because of especially so-called "Judeo-Christian", "red-blooded God-and-country" heads of households who are more than willing to (for example, and quite classically) twist verses such as Ephesians 5:22 and 6:1-3 (the latter of which got twisted on me constantly by my self-hating and abusive dad—who at least, by the way to his credit, would find "That Jew For You" highly unacceptable. After all, keep in mind that this the guy who deliberately drew a swastika just to throw it into his lit fireplace when I was having an OCD flareup one time.). 

Wednesday, June 25, 2014

Follow Up To (With Clarifications Re) Dennis Prager Exposé

As I stated, "Unlike Dennis Prager, by the way, the apparently-irresponsible writer was honest as to what most Anti-Messianic (maybe even most Non-Messianic) Jews think about Christian Zionists—and, of course, Jewish Christian Zionists!" This was in reference to "'a writer on [Christian Zionists, and one who had written about Jews for Jesus in relation to the apparently-separate Christian Zionists] in the liberal Jewish newspaper The Forward.'"

Let me reiterate: "Unlike Dennis Prager, by the way, the apparently-irresponsible writer was honest as to what most Anti-Messianic (maybe even most Non-Messianic) Jews think about Christian Zionists—and, of course, Jewish Christian Zionists!"

I respect those like Akiva David Miller (an openly-Anti-Messianic Haredi man) over those like Dennis Prager. After all, Akiva makes no bones about what he feels toward Messianic Jews and gentile Christians—sheer hatred and animosity. In fact, he is a friend of Messianic Jews and gentiles when he is compared to Dennis Prager:


Open rebuke is betterThan love carefully concealed. Faithful are the wounds of a friend,But the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

Akiva at least is willing to openly rebuke and wound us (although, as Messianics believe, misguidedly. Even if he never comes to believe in Yeshua [Jesus] as the Messiah, he would be less misguided than he is now if he came to realize what 34% of American Jews who are counted as Jews have come to realize: one can believe in Yeshua and still be Jewish, even though other Jews disagree with him or her on whether there is a literal Messiah—let alone about who Mashiach is! After all, believing in a Jewish man as the Jewish Messiah does not turn one into a gentile. Also, nobody can change his or her DNA.)

Dennis Prager, on the other hand, is exactly what I stated that he is: an enemy who is posing as a friend to Christian Zionists and promoters of Judeo-Christian values. Also as I stated, I respect those like Akiva over those like Dennis Prager, even though I don't like either one of them (despite that I have to love both of them as my neighbors and as fellow b'nei Yisra'elobviously to their chagrin, and they're welcome to let me know how and when believing in a Jewish man as the Jewish Messiah can change my DNA).

Dennis Prager Exposed With The Self-Incriminating Words of One of the Most Insidious Anti Messianics of All Time

Akiva David Miller (who, by the way, has never even been to Israel, as his public Facebook profile indicates) had the hutzpah to call his friend Dennis Prager his enemy:

Dennis Prager is a self-loathing Jew who neither speaks for other Jews nor knows what he's talking about when he talks about American Jewry. Prager is far more Christian than Jew and demonstrates that clearly with this ludicrous article. I am an Orthodox (Chassidish) American Jew who not only served our nation in the military but is intelligent enough to take seriously my pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution, along with its Establishment Clause. Prager is just one more history revisionist who wishes there were no such thing as a separation between Church and State; unfortunately for him both Jefferson and Madison knew better and wrote about that, leaving a clear historical record. Further, my activism on behalf of the 1st Amendment and the Separation of Church and State has nothing to do with secularism - I am a G-d fearing Orthodox Jew. Further, Prager is way off base when he insists that American Christians have noting in common with European Christians and their history of Anti-Semitism; the truth is that Anti-Semitism is alive and well among American Christians who routinely seek to inflict their cult of bigotry and hate on everyone else. Predatory proselytizing by American Christians is a cancer within our society and Fundamentalist Christianity is both a scourge within our society and a cult of hate. Unfortunately Prager is essentially a deluded member of that cult.
I frankly told Akiva what he needed (and probably wants) to read: Dennis Prager is actually his friend and an enemy to "that cult", especially the Jewish Christians among us. Dennis Prager's own words testify to that, by the way; and I made no bones about letting Akiva know that:

Akiva, chill out. First of all (and rather hypocritically), Dennis Prager has no kavod for Messianic Jews (Jewish Christians). In fact, he has gone out of his way to write about us, "I do not include among non-Jewish Jews those people who are born Jewish and convert to another religion, such as Christianity. These are Christians who happen to be born Jews, not non-Jewish Jews." (2006) 

Furthermore, he goes out of his way to blast George W. Bush for even speaking to Messianic Jews. "What Jews cannot respect is when Jewish converts to Christianity deny they are Christians, call themselves Jews, and devote their lives to converting other Jews." (2013) 

Secondly, he is pandering to gentile Christians so as to get support for his own agenda, which includes completely ostracizing and isolating Messianic Jews from the Jewish community. He even panders to the likes of "Jews need to be perfected [as if gentiles don't]" Ann Coulter. "Why is it laudable for a liberal to hope that conservatives convert to liberalism, but dangerous and hate-filled when a Christian hopes that Jews or anyone else will go to heaven (that is, after all, Ann Coulter's and most other Christians' primary concern) by believing in Jesus?" (2007) He even states, "As a practicing Jew, I do not agree with Ann Coulter's theology any more than those attacking her do. But I am neither offended by her nor frightened by her or her beliefs. She believes that Christianity is better than Judaism. So what?"

If anything, you're biting the hand of one of your Anti-Messianic ("Anti-Missionary") cohorts and friends. If I were you, I'd cheer Dennis Prager. He is doing exactly what you would like: pandering to gentile Christians to garner support for Israel and Orthodox and Haredi Judaism in the process, all while wanting to cut off and even obliterate Messianic Jews from among Israel. "The only positive Jewish response to Jews for Jesus is to figure out how to keep Jews Jewish so that they will not leave us for other secular or religious faiths. And the way to achieve that is to instill in young Jews faith in the Jewish trinity: God, Torah and Israel. Then they won’t seek any other trinity." (2013)

He wants exactly what you, Yad L'Achim, and your other cohorts want: to wholly strip us of our Jewish identities all because we believe in a Jewish man who he does not believe is the Messiah.

Don't believe it for yourself? Then do the Google searches on, e.g., "Dennis Prager [and] Messianic Jews" and "Dennis Prager [and] Ann Coulter". Also read his words about Messianic Jews and "Christian Zionists" (He, of course, is not talking about Jewish Christian Zionists.):

Jews should not allow their opposition to Jews for Jesus to bleed over to opposition to Christian Zionists, as a writer on this subject recently irresponsibly did in the liberal Jewish newspaper The Forward. Christian Zionists have been the best friends Jews have had for most of the last two centuries.
Dennis Prager—make no mistake—is dangerous and evil. Unlike Dennis Prager, by the way, the apparently-irresponsible writer was honest as to what most Anti-Messianic (maybe even most Non-Messianic) Jews think about Christian Zionists—and, of course, Jewish Christian Zionists!

So, as I told Akiva, I will tell every other Anti Messianic who wants hate on Dennis Prager—"If anything, you're biting the hand of one of your Anti-Messianic ("Anti-Missionary") cohorts and friends. If I were you, I'd cheer Dennis Prager.

As for what I'd tell Messianic Jews like myself and gentile Christian Zionists, avoid Dennis Prager as you would avoid those about whom Paul of Tarsus exhorted us millennia ago:

Yet I certainlydid not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
In this case, Dennis Prager claims to be a brother in the Zionist cause and in promoting Judeo-Christian values. Of course, Dennis Prager is really as such in terms of Zionism and Judeo-Christian values:

Andthis occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Plainly and in other words, Dennis Prager is a false brother in the very causes in which he claims to be a brother of Christians, Zionists, and Christian Zionists.




Thursday, May 1, 2014

In Case JFJ Decides To Delete My Conversation With Them

 commented on a video on YouTube.
Shared publicly  -  Yesterday 6:25 PM
 
Hi Nicole, thanks for taking time to respond to the film, I hope you got a chance to watch the video explaining why we chose to make the film.  If you would like to continue a conversation or have any questions please go here thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/
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Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 6:47 PM
 
 
I didn't even watch the video because I did not want to dignify or promote it in any way, shape, or form. As many have pointed out, many of the Nazis used Jesus (Yeshua) to commit horrid, Pseudo-Christian, Anti-Semitic (including Anti-Messianic) acts. As Holocaust survivor Edith Mayer Cord noted, Christianity was used by Martin Luther (who inspired much of Nazi ideology) to persecute Jews.

I knew right from the beginning that Moishe Rosen would never endorse or support using the Holocaust as a way to proselytize. "That Jew Died For You" crosses the line between sharing faith and proselytizing it; and, as Stuart Dauermann wrote (which I didn't even know):

"I remember Moishe (Moishe Rosen, Founder of Jews for Jesus) saying that one should never ask a survivor what he or she did to survive, because they all did things they are not proud of. He recognized that some things are hands off. Unfortunately, this film ignored that wisdom.

"Not everything that appears to advance the cause of the gospel is a good idea. This is why Moishe forbade JFJ to evangelize people under 18 without parental consent. He was wise: he realized it was inappropriate.  That kind of wisdom was missing in the release of this video."

Indeed (as Rev. Dauermann also noted), " I am afraid you triggered great animosity toward yourselves and the gospel.  Is it the gospel they are rejecting, or is it offensively poor taste? The answer is clear."

Look at YNet, VirtualJerusalem, and Ha'aretz for starters. I cringed when I saw how you affected Non-Messianic Jews and gentiles to perceive Messianic Judaism and Jews for Jesus.
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 7:33 PM
 
 
The film was Moishes idea...  You should watch it before you criticize.  It was made to fight against antisemitism and to show who Jesus really is.  He is the suffering servant.

The animosity was already there before we ever made the film.  Now many Jewish people are talking about Jesus.  When my own father first heard about Jesus he was very angry, but the Holy Spirit softened his heart and now he follows Jesus.  Please have a more faith in this film and the power of the holy spirit.  Feel free to talk to me or anyone else on our chat about any other questions or concerns you have.    http://thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 7:38 PM
 
 
+That Jew Died for You, then why wasn't it made when he was alive? You're succeeding in only sullying Moishe's memory, making the Gospel look foolish, and bringing down Jews For Jesus. What a shame. 
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 7:44 PM
 
 
Well, there wasn't a good way to get a film like this seen in a large scale while Moishe was alive and doing a film like this would have costed far more with far less quality.  So he had us wait.  I wish he was still alive to have seen it.  The film shows the Gospel played out during a Jewish tragedy, the concept was adapted and inspired by Marc Chagall's artistic works that also show Jesus in the holocaust.  By the way Marc Chagall isn't Messianic.  I really hope you reconsider and watch the film.  It is a good film that will help many Jews see Jesus in the best way possible.   
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 7:50 PM
 
 
+That Jew Died for You, I'd love to see the proof of that. If it was really Moishe's idea, wouldn't there have been a written statement from him on that? Also, wouldn't JFJ have released that statement after the backlash? So, you're trying to sully his memory and lie about him. One of the Aseret HaD'varim states that one should not bear false witness, and you're breaking that mitzvah. 
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 8:13 PM
 
 
We have original storyboards from Moishe and his wife and daughters will tell you the same.  Would you like his daughter to give you a call?
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 8:14 PM
 
 
Why don't you do the right thing and release them for everyone to see?
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 8:19 PM
 
 
Besides you, no one else has had an issue with the film being Moishe's idea.  But if showing you his story board will help you understand then I would be glad to share it.  I will send it tomorrow. 
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 8:32 PM
 
 
I would prefer that you do the right thing and release it for everybody to see. It received public backlash; it should be able to be defended in the public eye. After all, Yeshua Himself said, "there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light." (Mark 4:22
, NKJV) He also said through Kefa, "sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;  having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil." (1 Kefa [Peter] 3:15
-17)

If you really think that you can defend your claims, then do it. As Rev. Dauermann wrote correctly, "You will discover that your message is not getting across, but that people are repelled, disgusted, and enraged. Paul reminds us that it is no compliment when “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”" Even worse when the name of God is blasphemed among our own people!
That Jew Died for You
11:11 AM
 
 
So you are not interested in seeing them.  That is fine.  The louder, not necessarily larger, Jewish community is upset because of Jesus.  If it was merely just because of the Holocaust they would be equally upset with films like Schindler's List or Escape from Sobibor.  The truth is that though the knee jerk reaction is offence and anger from anti-missionary sites, they do not represent the larger Jewish community.  Stuart Dauermann does not know what the real reaction will be.  He only sees what the press puts out which has never been supportive of the Gospel.

Now you need to know that I am a great grandchild of a murdered great grandmother and several other family members in Auschwitz.  Though my parents are Messianic much of the rest of my family a mix of reformed conservative and orthodox Jews.  Most of witch have seen the film and are now considering Jesus.  Though you have your doubts, the truth is the film works well for those who are willing to listen.

My concern is to see Jewish people consider who Jesus is.  When anti-missionaries raise their voice it is there goal to distract me from my goal.  I am not here to defend the film and prove it came from Moishe to you, if you would like to speak to his family and ask them about it feel free.  
Nicole Czarnecki
2:47 PM
 
 
So, you're continuing to say that you're still willing to do the wrong thing and use your relatives to do it. Shame on you.