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Showing posts with label Pseudo_Messianic. Show all posts
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Thursday, May 1, 2014

In Case JFJ Decides To Delete My Conversation With Them

 commented on a video on YouTube.
Shared publicly  -  Yesterday 6:25 PM
 
Hi Nicole, thanks for taking time to respond to the film, I hope you got a chance to watch the video explaining why we chose to make the film.  If you would like to continue a conversation or have any questions please go here thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/
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Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 6:47 PM
 
 
I didn't even watch the video because I did not want to dignify or promote it in any way, shape, or form. As many have pointed out, many of the Nazis used Jesus (Yeshua) to commit horrid, Pseudo-Christian, Anti-Semitic (including Anti-Messianic) acts. As Holocaust survivor Edith Mayer Cord noted, Christianity was used by Martin Luther (who inspired much of Nazi ideology) to persecute Jews.

I knew right from the beginning that Moishe Rosen would never endorse or support using the Holocaust as a way to proselytize. "That Jew Died For You" crosses the line between sharing faith and proselytizing it; and, as Stuart Dauermann wrote (which I didn't even know):

"I remember Moishe (Moishe Rosen, Founder of Jews for Jesus) saying that one should never ask a survivor what he or she did to survive, because they all did things they are not proud of. He recognized that some things are hands off. Unfortunately, this film ignored that wisdom.

"Not everything that appears to advance the cause of the gospel is a good idea. This is why Moishe forbade JFJ to evangelize people under 18 without parental consent. He was wise: he realized it was inappropriate.  That kind of wisdom was missing in the release of this video."

Indeed (as Rev. Dauermann also noted), " I am afraid you triggered great animosity toward yourselves and the gospel.  Is it the gospel they are rejecting, or is it offensively poor taste? The answer is clear."

Look at YNet, VirtualJerusalem, and Ha'aretz for starters. I cringed when I saw how you affected Non-Messianic Jews and gentiles to perceive Messianic Judaism and Jews for Jesus.
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 7:33 PM
 
 
The film was Moishes idea...  You should watch it before you criticize.  It was made to fight against antisemitism and to show who Jesus really is.  He is the suffering servant.

The animosity was already there before we ever made the film.  Now many Jewish people are talking about Jesus.  When my own father first heard about Jesus he was very angry, but the Holy Spirit softened his heart and now he follows Jesus.  Please have a more faith in this film and the power of the holy spirit.  Feel free to talk to me or anyone else on our chat about any other questions or concerns you have.    http://thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 7:38 PM
 
 
+That Jew Died for You, then why wasn't it made when he was alive? You're succeeding in only sullying Moishe's memory, making the Gospel look foolish, and bringing down Jews For Jesus. What a shame. 
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 7:44 PM
 
 
Well, there wasn't a good way to get a film like this seen in a large scale while Moishe was alive and doing a film like this would have costed far more with far less quality.  So he had us wait.  I wish he was still alive to have seen it.  The film shows the Gospel played out during a Jewish tragedy, the concept was adapted and inspired by Marc Chagall's artistic works that also show Jesus in the holocaust.  By the way Marc Chagall isn't Messianic.  I really hope you reconsider and watch the film.  It is a good film that will help many Jews see Jesus in the best way possible.   
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 7:50 PM
 
 
+That Jew Died for You, I'd love to see the proof of that. If it was really Moishe's idea, wouldn't there have been a written statement from him on that? Also, wouldn't JFJ have released that statement after the backlash? So, you're trying to sully his memory and lie about him. One of the Aseret HaD'varim states that one should not bear false witness, and you're breaking that mitzvah. 
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 8:13 PM
 
 
We have original storyboards from Moishe and his wife and daughters will tell you the same.  Would you like his daughter to give you a call?
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 8:14 PM
 
 
Why don't you do the right thing and release them for everyone to see?
That Jew Died for You
Yesterday 8:19 PM
 
 
Besides you, no one else has had an issue with the film being Moishe's idea.  But if showing you his story board will help you understand then I would be glad to share it.  I will send it tomorrow. 
Nicole Czarnecki
Yesterday 8:32 PM
 
 
I would prefer that you do the right thing and release it for everybody to see. It received public backlash; it should be able to be defended in the public eye. After all, Yeshua Himself said, "there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light." (Mark 4:22
, NKJV) He also said through Kefa, "sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;  having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil." (1 Kefa [Peter] 3:15
-17)

If you really think that you can defend your claims, then do it. As Rev. Dauermann wrote correctly, "You will discover that your message is not getting across, but that people are repelled, disgusted, and enraged. Paul reminds us that it is no compliment when “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”" Even worse when the name of God is blasphemed among our own people!
That Jew Died for You
11:11 AM
 
 
So you are not interested in seeing them.  That is fine.  The louder, not necessarily larger, Jewish community is upset because of Jesus.  If it was merely just because of the Holocaust they would be equally upset with films like Schindler's List or Escape from Sobibor.  The truth is that though the knee jerk reaction is offence and anger from anti-missionary sites, they do not represent the larger Jewish community.  Stuart Dauermann does not know what the real reaction will be.  He only sees what the press puts out which has never been supportive of the Gospel.

Now you need to know that I am a great grandchild of a murdered great grandmother and several other family members in Auschwitz.  Though my parents are Messianic much of the rest of my family a mix of reformed conservative and orthodox Jews.  Most of witch have seen the film and are now considering Jesus.  Though you have your doubts, the truth is the film works well for those who are willing to listen.

My concern is to see Jewish people consider who Jesus is.  When anti-missionaries raise their voice it is there goal to distract me from my goal.  I am not here to defend the film and prove it came from Moishe to you, if you would like to speak to his family and ask them about it feel free.  
Nicole Czarnecki
2:47 PM
 
 
So, you're continuing to say that you're still willing to do the wrong thing and use your relatives to do it. Shame on you.

Monday, June 24, 2013

Go Away, Chapelgate. With The Exceptions Who Are In My Life...

I am done with you. You are not a church or school of G-d. You are not part of the Church--if you ever were, you fell away. You are a church and school for and of those who fit your mold--the gentiles and the assimilated Jews, the middle- to upper-class households, the nuclear and connected families, and the deportistas--with those few exceptions who somehow fit your mold in a satisfactory-enough way. Proud Jews and gerim tzdukim, lower- and poor-class households, non-nuclear and non-connected families, and hombres quien son no deportistas don't fit your mold. I learned the hard way.

First of all, I apologize to Pastor Khandijian only for apologizing to him that I got mad when he called Ha'Aron-HaBrit-HaKodesh "a holy piece of furniture"--how dare he would call the Ark of the Covenant such a commonplace item! The Ark of the Covenant holds the very tablets that were given to Moses at Sinai--Ha'Aseret-HaD'varim, which are the very embodiment of Yeshua in the tomb (And, Mr. Seminarian, the keruvim on the Ark should have clued you in!). Also, I can't change that your precious Armenia is part of Togarmah--you got a problem? Take it up with Yehovah!

Secondly, I won't apologize to Cathy Dallwig--not now, not ever! When a disabled church member is unusually lax in attendance, outreaching to him or her and/or offering him or her a ride to church would be nice! That's the least that a "Caring" Director or Coordinator is supposed to do, especially when the position of Caring Director or Caring Director comes with a salary!

Thirdly, how dare "United States" (whoever he or she is) would make up that I said anything about Mike Khandjian's mom--except for, as I maybe did say, that I hope that she raised him better than to be who he is. If I didn't say it before, though , I've said it now: I'd be stunned that my seminarian son had contempt for the Jews at that much of a level--that is, to call the Holy Ark of the Covenant "a holy piece of furniture" and get upset that a Jew confronted him for relegating the embodiment of Yeshua's tomb to a commonplace level! I'd also be stunned that he applied "out of Egypt, I called my son" to his Armenian family--it applies alone to Yeshua, to Israel physically and spiritually, and spiritually (and sometimes physically) to grafted-in gentiles (e.g., Copts who have to physically leave literal Egypt due to persecution, not Armenians who are on their way to America--your Egypt may have been Armenia during the Armenian Genocide [See; I'm fair and can concede what needs to be conceded.], but don't make your resting point the place that you had to leave due to persecution).

As my cousin wisely shared, "Forgive your enemies, but remember their names." Therefore, I'll remember the names of Mike Khandjian, Cathy Dallwig, and others to rightly call them out when I need to do so; and I'll remember what they said and did (or at least the gist thereof if I can't remember exactly what was said and done). To the exceptions among or otherwise connected to Chapelgate, by the way, you had nothing to do with this, and I sorrow that you were (so to speak) put in the crosshairs because of a Pseudo-Christian "Presbyteryian Church".

Also, ach(ot)i b'v'm'Yerushalayim, I apologize to you for "Pastor" Khandjian and "Caring" Director Dallwig, among others: they are reflective more of what's in line with the Talmud (if anything) and certainly what is contrary to Yeshua.


    
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