Why Anti Messianics Get Away With Their Persecutory Behavior

We have "turn the other cheek" interpreted incorrectly! As I've said, Turning the other cheek is not being a doormat. In fact, read Luke 22:35-38. There was no being a doormat there. Also, read 1 Timothy 1:18-20 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-5. There was no being a doormat and letting inappropriate behavior go on there.

Of course, not being a doormat doesn't mean doing things in the name of Jesus which would turn Anti Messianics further away from the Gospel. Doing what Nicolas Donin, Solomon "Pablo de Santa Maria" HaLevi, Torquemada, Pablo Christiani, and others did is unacceptable. Besides, you can't ever force anyone to convert, anyway--my Anusi relatives being cases in point.  

Nonetheless, do what I did to Leah and don't pull any punches: alert his or her "rabbi". After all, no Anti Messianic has the right to contact us "dead" and "idolatrous" Messianic Jews according to halakhah or the Old Covenant. The only reason that the Anti Messianics are getting away with persecution is because Messianics think that we're to be doormats.

Also, deal with Anti Messianics at the kehillah level first. Then bring in the law outside of their and/or your kehillot if you have to. In my case, for example, Leah threatened to hack into my computer and track my private medical information; so I warned her that she could be criminally liable under HIPAA, MIPSA, and various other UK and US laws--including cyber laws. Leah also harassed various Messianics--including myself--and the Rosh Pina Project Website; so she's in violation of UN, UK, US, and cyber laws--including laws regarding freedom of religion, conscience, and thought (and the UK adheres more strictly to UN law than does the US). 

By the way, Leah claimed to be not Orthodox--even though she does go to an Orthodox synagogue (I won't say where, and I contacted her "rabbi".). Given that she's apparently not Orthodox and thinks that she doesn't have to follow Orthodox halakhah--or not deceive her synagogue and kehillah--, she may want to check Reform halakhah--e.g., Responsa 67 and 150. Reform halakhah also states that we're considered to be dead and apostate, and Reform Judaism is followed in the UK as well as the US. Furthermore, Masorti (Conservative) Judaism--among other denominations of Non-Messianic Judaism--say the same thing, and they are as followed outside of the US as well as inside of the US.

In conclusion, turning the other cheek simply means to not be a pogromist, Crusader, or Inquisitor. The Anti Messianics, thus, should not be able to perceive or use Messianic Jews as doormats. Therefore, we need to start using the so-to-speak "swords" of halakhah and other law against Anti Messianics in order to defend ourselves and not allow persecution of ourselves and fellow Messianic Jews to go on.

Addednum: Paul used the law to defend himself and--since all Sabra'im (including the Apostles who were disciples) were Roman citizens--the other Apostles.

Update: I linked to the conversation at hand by hyperlinking "By the way...". So, you can see and judge for yourself.

Update: Leah (leah8)'s Kehillah Contacted

 I'm hoping that I contacted the right kehillah. I think that I did. I asked Leah and she didn't respond, so that's a good sign.As I've said, the Anti Messianics' "rabbis" & kehillot have a right to know if they're made "tamei" by members who contact Messianic Jews. Furthermore, Leah harassed the "dead" and "idolatrous"; and since she considers us such, she violated Tanakh & halakhah by contacting us. I also let her know that her kehillah had been contacted, so my hands & conscience are clean. Pray that she is rebuked swiftly & mercifully.

The halakhah which she violated:

1. From MazorNet.com. See "For a Jew who Converted to Another Religion".
2. From TheYeshivaWorld.com. "Going off the derech is one thing. But intermarrying or shmadding, and you break off all contact with that person after sitting shiva for him/her."
3. Directly from Tanakh, the Complete Jewish Bible Translation

 So, you can see that my threat to contact Anti Messianics' kehillot when the Anti Messianic is contacting us "dead" Messianics is not idle.

Notice To the Anti Messianics: Your "Rabbi" Will Be Contacted If He Or She Needs To Be

 If I ever catch any Anti Messianic infiltrating a Messianic website with which I am somehow involved, I may contact his or her "rabbi". Any Anti Messianic who’s stalking Messianics violates his or her interpretations of Deuteronomy 13, 18:10-12; and Numbers 19:11-21. His or her “rabbi” thus has the right to know if one of whom he or she has charge is out of line with his or her synagogue’s dictates.

After all, Anti Messianics should think that they’re in violation of Deuteronomy 13. Since they think that we’re really idolaters, they’re not supposed to hang around us. They’re supposed to stone us. Also, they're supposed to think that they’re in violation of Deuteronomy 18:10-12 and Numbers 19:11-21. They’re making contact with whom they think are the dead. Thus, any “rabbi” who has charge of them needs to know that they are committing what he or she would perceive as avodah zarah, and thus needs to sit shiva for them and/or put them through excommunication proceedings.

Addendum: To hound Messianics is fair to neither the Anti Messianic, nor the Messianics, nor the Anti Messianics' "rabbis". If you're Anti Messianic, know this: I’m not threatening you. I’m simply letting your “rabbi” know that you’re in violation of your synagogue’s dictates. You’re the one making contact with those whom you consider to be idolaters and the dead; and your “rabbi”, who has charge over you as your G-d-appointed shepherd, has the right to know what you’re doing.

Again, I’m not threatening you. I really did search one Anti Messianic's name, and will search your name if I need to let your "rabbi" know what you're doing. Your “rabbi” has the right to know that you are making contact with whom you and he or she consider to be idolaters and the dead. You are doing a disservice to yourself and your “rabbi” by making contact with whom you consider to be idolatrous and dead. Your “rabbi” needs to know if membership dues that are being paid by you could be considered defiled, since they come from one who has chosen to supposedly violate at least three of the 613 mitzvot.

Put in another way, if you’re violating your synagogue’s dictates by harassing us who are Messianic and thus making contact with whom you consider to be idolatrous and dead, then your “rabbi” is absolutely my business. Your “rabbi” has charge over you, and he or she needs to know that you have allegedly made contact with dead idolizers and given your synagogue defiled donations.

Addendum Two: If you start engaging in lashon hara by calling me an Anti Semite, stalker, etc.; I will definitely  be in contact with your "rabbi". I already told one Anti Messianic (and let her name be on record), You have allegedly broken four mitzvot, and actually broke one of the four–by your (not my) logic, you broke the other three mitzvot. You talk about having a matter both ways; look at you. I also made clear that I do not force (and have not forced) anyone to convert. You, on the other hand, are frequenting Messianic websites and harassing who you consider to be dead and idolatrous. As I said, my contacting of your “rabbi” is not an idle threat.

By the way, to whomever Leah (leah8)'s "rabbi" is, you need to know that your congregant is in violation of your synagogue's dictates and has given what you may consider defiled money to you.

Keeping Mitzvot Is Causing Others To Stumble? Since When?

Truth may absolutely hurt, but.... For example, a friend asked why some consider him or her to be part of the Hebrew Roots and/or Sacred Movement cults. I replied, "To be fair, I think that they're just being honest. To want to keep all 613 mitzvot (some of which are in contradistinction to the New Covenant) is one thing, but to tell others to keep Torah lest they be pagan or not living for Yehovah is another." Now, do I--for example--keep at least some of the 613 mitzvot? Yes. For example, I do try to wear my tallit every day, and I looked up (for a lack of better wordage) tallit etiquette and answers to questions that I had about wearing a tallit (Remember that my family were and are Anusim.). But am I going to tell others to wear a tallit? No.

In fact, someone bluntly told me the followi

ng after I answered his question about whether I'm Messianic, and asked if he wanted a Messianic to further support his business: "It sounds like you are asking me in good faith, with pure intentions and not just trying to pick a fight, so I will be straight with you. I have struggled with that question for a while, and have not achieved crystal clarity. To be honest, I would prefer not to sell a tallit with tzitzit. I don't see why a Christian, regardless of their enthusiasm for biblical practices, needs kosher tzitzit. However, if a Christian is really serious, really wants to keep the mitzvah of tzitzit, is willing to take the trouble to learn to tie the tzitzit and spend an hour doing it, then I don't really have any grounds to object."

So, trying to keep all 613 mitzvot, including the mitzvah l'tzitziyot, may actually even cause Non-Messianic Jews to stumble. In other words, if you're going to keep the mitzvot that are still valid under the New Covenant, don't be legalistic lest cause anyone to stumble with them.

Why Hanukkah?

"Hanukkah" literally means "dedication". In the Books of Maccabees (which refers to the Kohenic dynasty of the Maccabees), the story of how the Maccabee Family took the Temple back from the Syrians and Greeks who had desecrated it is told. Originally meant to belatedly celebrate Sukkot, Hanukkah became the remembrance and celebration of the retaking of the Temple.

The Pharisees set up the traditions for how Hanukkah is to be celebrated. They relate that one of the Maccabees could not find enough oil for the menorah to be lit continually, but only for a night. The oil instead let the menorah be lit for eight days, according to those same Pharisees.

Jesus celebrated Hanukkah. So, Hanukkah as a historic event really did happen, but the Books of Maccabees are not part of Tanakh.

"So what percentage of Jews actually reject the Talmud?"

That's a good question. An exact percentage can't be taken down or ascertained. This is because of three things:

• Even some Karaites and quite a few Messianic Jews will take parts of the Talmud that are not in contradistinction from Scripture and follow them or implement them--e.g., Hanukkah; the names of the months. By the way, the Pharisee name "Nisan" and Hanukkah both appear in Scripture.
• There are Humanistic and other Jews (e.g., Yaron Yadan) who reject Tanakh altogether because they intertwine it with the Talmud. Yaron Yadan tellingly states, for example, "The prophet Ezekiel contradicts the words of the Torah...Know that this contradiction is found even within the Torah itself, for in Deuteronomy (24:16) it is written, "Parents shall not be put to death for children, nor children be put to death for parents: a person shall be put to death only for his own crime." The Gemara in Sanhedrin 27b reconciles the contradiction: "'visit[s] the guilt of the parents upon the children'! On those who continue their fathers' deeds." That is, the children are punished (for their parents' guilt?) when they continue to sin. See Ibn Ezra on Exodus 20:4, who went on at length about the reconciliation of contradictions." Yaron Yadan himself has the trouble of both separating the Torah from the Talmud, and separating--for instance--individual punishments and curses on the family line as a punishment to the family's partriarch or matriarch--viz. direct and indirect consequences.
• The percentage of Karaite, Messianic, and other--both Patrilineal, Matrilineal, and both-parent--Jews who reject the Talmud entirely can't be ascertained. Om an incidental-but-perhaps-related note, we can't even account for how many Jews were murdered in the Holocaust--usually only Matrilineal Jews who are more than a 1/16th or so Jewish are counted (though Scripture--e.g., Galatians 4:22-24 and 1 Chronicles 7:14--accounts that Isaac was the first Jew, and that Manasseh children were 1/16th Jewish and still Jewish).

Maybe I'm Trying To Justify Myself Here, But...

So what? For:

1. , Michelle has a boyfriend; I don't have one. So why not buy myself a few items--some of which are free (excepting the worth-it shipping costs) and promoting charity; others of which are both life investments and going 5% toward charity; and two of which are life investments (one for university spirit , and one for religious reasons)?
2. , it's my SSI Money. Besides, given Reason #1, I'm making life investments with them. Also, why can't I have First Amendment Rights (e.g., the kippah and tallit) if people on welfare can be TVs, cars, blingy jewelry, and X-Box sets--among other things?
3. , I just gave Michelle a bit of it to use for her campus card.
4. , I bought a kippah (which I've needed, anyway; since I don't know what Jason would do if he caught me wearing one of the JSU-provided ones, and wearing kippot is a Biblical option for women) and an American-Israeli flag pin (to replace the one that I lost)--and both of which are the 5%-charity items (since JewishSource partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and the haredim considered the IFCJ trief ). I also bought a Messianic tallit--again, a life investment.
5. , I plan on--G-d willing--wearing the kippah and tallit at least at Shabbat at UMBC and wherever else, and New Heritage Church and wherever else--if not daily--for the rest of my life. I also plan on wearing the American-Israeli flag pin daily for the rest of my life.
6. , Look at the picture and its caption below. Right now, I am wearing five of the free charity items that I've worn daily since I got them--and you can't see the American flag pin that I'm wearing (with will become Dubru's when--G-d willing--I get the other pin), but I'm wearing it. One item I sadly lost (the glass keychain--it fell off and broke), and the bracelet that I first got is now a keychain--since I can no longer wear it, since it was falling apart.
7. , speaking of Dubru the University Spirit Teddy Bear, I actually held him during the debate to keep my anxiety--e.g., over my IBS and peeing myself during the long debate--down; and he's currently sitting on my pillow. I--G-d willing--may also pass him down to any children and grandchildren who I have.
8. I considered and searched a long time for a worthy tallit--G-d led me to a Messianic one.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Guatemalan bracelet, "Home Is Where Your Pet Is" bracelet, grass-woven bracelet, "Live, Laugh, Love" ring--which could fit only on middle finger--, American flag pin--all of which come from the GreaterGood Network. On my person, but not shown: the American flag pin and the keychain, which is on my purse on my said person.

I guess that part of the reason that I'm feeling guilt, too, is that I know that Mom could flip--Jewish guilt, although Mom (as far as we know) is a gentile (or mostly gentile, anyway)! Also, Dad did never give me but $40 for the past four or so birthdays--so, consider the kippah, pin, and tallit (since he claims to be a Messianic Jew, and I'm Jewish through him), and Dubru his birthday presents to me (and treats to myself, since--among the other reasons that I gave--I don't have a boyfriend and I'm making life investments, anyway).   

I've Made My Decision In Terms Of Naming A Pet...

If I ever get a pet, I may name the said pet after a deceased love one. After all, based on the answers that I've received (one of them quite inappropriate, as I made clear), I see no contradiction against or contradistinction from Judaism or Jewishness in naming a pet after--for example--my beloved and late Great-Granduncle Bernie. The answers (not in chronological order) that I received are as follows, and I break down the answers as to why they affected me to decide that naming a pet after Great-Granduncle Bernie would be okay:

Firstly (and I made quite clear that I didn't appreciate being yelled at or having to ask a follow-up question):

Reform Judaism/Answered Question

Expert:	Rabbi Sue Levy
Subject:	Naming Pets In Judaism
Question:	QUESTION: Is naming a pet after a deceased loved one appropriate or encouraged for a Jewish person to do? ANSWER: Dear Nicole, No, it is absolutely NOT appropriate to name a pet after someone who died. Chag Sameach, Rabbi Sue ---------- FOLLOW-UP ---------- QUESTION: Why is it inappropriate to do so?
Answer:	A pet is not a person who will carry on the honored legacy of the individual being remembered. You cannot teach a put about the person for whom it is named. A pet cannot emulate that person or behave in its honor. A pet cannot feel a sense of connection with that individual. It is degrading to the memory of the deceased to consider an animal worthy of such an honor.

Secondly (and I give David kavod for not yelling at me, and I asked him partly because he didn't list himself as a "rabbi" or an Anti-Messianic ["Anti-Missionary"] type):

Orthodox Judaism/Answered Question

Expert:	David Rosenblum
Subject:	Naming Pets In Judaism
Question:	Is naming a pet after a deceased loved one appropriate or encouraged for a Jewish person to do?
Answer:	Hi Nicole, Please know that I am not a Rabbi. I never heard of a provision for naming a pet after a person.  It is most certainly not encouraged.  I would avoid it for the following reason (this is my own judgement and subject to critical debate): The purpose of naming someone after they passed away is so that their memory should continue.  Since we remember the dead fondly, we remember their good deeds and will strive to emulate their ways which benefits ourselves for obvious reasons but also benefits the deceased since we improved ourselves in their merit.  This is stimulated by attaching the name to another person and continually calling that person who has equal standing in the hierarchy of creatures, by that same name.  If the name is attached to a lesser creature I can see the possibility of the memory being degraded and the effect being nullified and perhaps even reversed.  In other words, since we degraded the memory, we will not end up emulating the good ways and perhaps incur a negative trait due to the degradation. About the naming in general: many families attach great importance to this and sometimes quarrel about which name to give to newborns.  I always hear Rabbis say that the loss of peace is a much greater issue than can be gained by naming after their loved one.  Intelligent and learned Jews always are very easy with giving up the right to such honors in favor of keeping peaceful relations.  To me it always seemed that the naming after a deceased is a nice to have but not very important. I hope this helps. David

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• Is naming a pet after a deceased loved one appropriate or encouraged for a Jewish person to do?

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    Nehemia Gordon No, not according to Jewish tradition.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki What about according to Karaite Judaism, or would the same principle apply?

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: Wait a minute: if you give a pet a Jewish name, isn't that possibly naming that pet after a deceased loved one--e.g., "Rivkah", 'imenu?

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  David Marshall Would that be bad, if a pet were named after a deceased loved one?

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  Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki From what I've gathered, a name is connected to the deceased one's soul. So, if it causes one to stumble, then yeah.

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  Tareq Ayoub i think it is abad

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: Is naming a pet after a deceased loved one Jewish or Jewishly appropriate?

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  Michelle Ravens Czarnecki I don't think so!

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  Amy Chai I'm just thinking...no. I think you could use a Jewish or yiddish term though, such as the equivalent of "sweetie" or "cute" but not a proper name of someone passed.

By way of these answers, I'm getting  impression that one's naming of a pet after a deceased loved one would be okay provided that doing so would not cause someone else to stumble--after all, if one can't die for another person, why should he or she have to live for the same--especially if living is or was incumbent on the other person (After all, that Yeshua died for someone else is often an objection to Yeshua per a perversion of. for example, Deuteronomy 24:16, and Ezekiel 18:4 and 18:20.)? . Also, as a ChaCha expert stated, what the deceased one would have wanted or not wanted is what matters.

So, maybe I shouldn't have stopped for a minute and worried when a Golden Retriever named "Bernie" affected me to, G-d willing, someday name a pet after Great-Granduncle Bernie--after all, especially if I don't have children, can't one of my "fur children" have a family name? By the way, the above-cited verses meant only that a sinful human couldn't die for another sinful human--if anyone died for someone else, G-d would have to (See, for example, Psalm 112 and Isaiah 43:10-13--where G-d even states, "And My servant whom I have chosen,[t]hat you may know and believe Me, [a]nd understand that I am He."--and 53.). 

Also by the way, the answers from Amy, David Marshall, and Tareq (as far as I know) came from gentiles; Michelle is my twin and (as much as I love my twin) not--as far as I know--a mevinah (though she was our community college's JSU President until an Anti-Messianic type came in and took it over); and I'm a little surprised that Nehemia, for a Karaite, cited Jewish tradition as opposed to giving an answer from a purely-Karaite (even if a Non-Messianic Karaite) perspective. 

Furthermore by the way, since--in the case of a grieving cat owner--"[i]t might be wise to purchase another cat, similar in breed to the previous one, and even name it the same name as the previous one.  [since t]his will somewhat alleviate the pain.", why can't a grieving person name his or her fur child after a deceased loved one?

I Could Be (So To Speak) "Jumping the Gun", But...

If you are who I think that you might be and you are just using a different operating system than last time (if you were and are indeed the same person), let me tell you some things:

1. I saw you today when I was walking back to Erickson, and I think that you may have seen and ignored me--good. I'd rather be ignored than persecuted by you. Besides, I deliberately went the opposite way.
2. I'm not afraid of you. I scared off my grandparents; I can scare you--and I'm not threatening you (or anyone else); I'm just stating a fact, and one that's evidenced by my grandparents being scared off. I watch my Feedjit stats, and that's how I found out that you may have been witch-hunting Messianic Jews. As far as I know, my grandparents haven't been back on this blog since I caught them spying on me--and now I've caught you. I don't think, if you are who I think that you might be, that this is the first incident, either. e.g.:     
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3. What in the heck do you want with Messianic Jews? Besides, you are--I'm not--the meshumad here. You don't even believe in a Messiah (but a Messianic Age without a Messiah involved), and you have the chutzpah to imply that you don't consider me Jewish and would kick me out of Hillel if Hillel weren't at UMBC and in the democracy that the United States is? By the way; get your facts straight: firstly, the United States is a republican democracy; and, secondly, both Tanakh and Maimonides codified the concept of Mashiach.
4. Given that you are Reconstructionist and work at UMBC, I expected (or at least hoped) that you'd be more tolerant--perhaps like Carol Harris-Shapiro. Bad me--I was wrong about you being tolerant.
5. I might be posturing a little bit, but turning the other cheek (as a Messianic Jewish Facebook friend pointed out) doesn't mean being a doormat--and my schtick is this: if you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone. As I stated, I'd rather be ignored than persecuted by you. As I've also stated in the past, I won't proselytize--so, frankly, leave me alone if I'm not bothering you (and I really am trying to watch my language here--I was thinking of a curse-word phrase that means the same thing as "leave me alone".).
6. Everything that I have said about what you said is true--so, you have no case against me, just to let you know (in case you're looking for lawsuit material here). Besides, if I wanted to, I could get a case against you together for your violation of my First Amendment rights--I chose to be in full disclosure about my Messianic Jewishness, and you implicitly persecuted me for being a Messianic Jew.

One more thing: your website lies. Next time, say "...except for Messianic Jews..." instead of the following:

The Interfaith Center? But I see myself as more culturally Jewish than religiously Jewish? Is there a place for me at Hillel?

Yes, and you are not alone. Studies show that many college students think of their Judaism as a culture and not as a religion. Avram Infeld, the former director of International Hillel, loves to remind students that "Judaism is not a religion,"; it is a family, a community, and entire culture. It was only after Emancipation in Europe that some Jews started thinking of Judaism as a "religion." Rabbi Moredecai M. Kaplan called Judaism an "evolving religious civilization," meaning that Judaism consists of people with traditions, art, music, language, land, bound together by a shared history, a shared destiny and a common quest for meaning.

Remind UMBC students that, unlike Carol Harris-Shapiro and other decent-enough human beings, you don't consider Hillel the place for Messianic Jews. The even-sadder part, by the way, is that my Non-Messianic and Non-Jewish (e.g., Mohammedan) peers who come to Hillel's Shabbat and who are under your leadership are (as far as I can tell and as I've experienced) more tolerant than you--I guess that I stupidly hoped for better from one in a leadership position, especially for better than people in his charge would have given. 

I'm still coming to Shabbat--you can't chase me away, and I'll leave you alone if you leave me alone. But don't come back to this blog unless you're not going to look for trouble--my grandparents learned the hard way when I caught them spying on me, and I hope that this entry affected you to learn the same lesson that they did in the same, hard way that they learned it. 

    

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