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Showing posts with label PolishForums.com. Show all posts
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Sunday, July 29, 2012

What Glamour? From PolishForums.com

The naysayers like jon357 and Magdalena (who, for whatever reason, want me to continue to fall for Dad's and Pop-Pop's romanticized narrative about Great-Granddad) are the ones who really get my goat. I myself was shocked by the truth--never did I dream that Great-Granddad Czarnecki was born a Chernetski in Tsuman, Ukraine (then Cumań in then-Wołyn, Ukraine-Poland Russia) while his dad was back home in Lipsk nad Biebrzą or Somovo(? So the record says, but would he really have been all the way in Somovo, far from Lipsk; and not, say, Szumowo or Shamovo?)? He was born while his mom may have been making a Rosh Hodesh visit to a cousin, Vil'gel'm Andrulevich, in Buzhanka in the Kiev, Ukraine region. 

The story gets even less glamorous. There is nothing glamorous about converting to Catholicism to fool the Russians into thinking that you finally believe in Jesus as the Jewish Messiah--especially when your family sits shiva for you because you did so. As an e-mail from my Granduncle Tony alludes to (although the poor man still denies that we're Jewish--and that's another discussion. Anyway):

I never seen nor did anyone mention anything special brought from Poland. A friend from Sugar Notch, Mrs. Bertha Wawrzyn, visited Poland every few years to see her family and would visit the family while there. All she ever brought back were photos that she took of the Polish Czarnecki's (see earlier comments).

There was very little discussion of the Polish life and family. Usually, when there was, it was a brief mention of the farm that was left behind. There did not seem to be any regrets about leaving for a better life. After all , they settled among Polish, Slavic, Hungarian, Lithuanian, and Ukrainian people just like themselves. Similar language, similar customs, similar faces, houses, churches, etc. But life was much better than on the farm. They were quite happy in America and much better off. The motherland, Poland, was far off and just a memory, not to be forgotten but no regrets for leaving either.

Periodically a church pastor would run a heritage trip back to Poland for a group. Very few of those who immigrated would return. Occasionally someone "in the family" in America would join a relative for the return trip, Usually meeting the Polish or Slovak relatives for the first time and occasionally maintaining a letter writing relationship afterwards. This DID NOT happen in our family.

There was not very much correspondence with the Polish family. Only an infrequent letter. There were no exchanges other than through the Polish Church which would have clothing drives and send clothes to Poland in general, but not to specific family members. Bertha's photos which came after the trips were the only contact until they asked for the deed to be changed in the mid 1960's.

Once the conversion happened and the shiva was sat, that was it "until they asked for the deed to be changed in the mid 1960's"; with the Holocaust being that dark interim in regards to any contact even with Bertha Wawrzyn--and three Czarnieckis, perhaps cousins, are listed on JewishGen as having been Holocaust victims from Białystok:

Bialystok Children's Transport to Theresienstadt, October 5, 1943


Searching for Surname (phonetically like) Czarnecki
Number of hits: 3
Run on Saturday 28 July 2012 at 22:19:31

Child #
Adult # Surname(s), Given Name Father + Mother Born Transport
10

CZARNIECKI, Tewel
Gerszon + Rochl
1934 Bialystok

11

CZARNIECKI, Jankiel
Gerszon + Rochl
1933 Bialystok

12

CZARNIECKI, Oszer
Gerszon + Rochl
1936 Bialystok

What glamour would there be in that for my great-granddad "Antoni" and his parents "Julian" and "Alexandria" (and they gave both sets of his grandparents the names "Antoni" and "Katarzyna"--why that didn't ring bells or raise flags for me at first, I don't know.)? What glamour was there to be had for living as Crypto-Jewish Catholics in Sugar Notch, Pennsylvania to escape WASP (White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant) and WEC (White, European Catholic) Anti Semitism? What glamour was in for "Antoni" (later "Anthony") to grow up to become a man like his "holy terror", "tough cookie" mom (who abused his drunkard dad, her drunkard husband), and then commit suicide once he had time to reflect on just what he became? What glamour?

So, my dad and granddad paint this romanticized picture of a lone Polish immigrant who served in Korea and died of Black Lung in 1972, which is far from the Anthony Czarnecki ne G-d-knows-who Chernetski that he was.

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

I'd Appreciate If Someone Could Translate the Following For Me...

ul. Mickiewicza 1, 16-400 Suwałki
parter budynku
Polska

Attn: Elżbieta Giedrojć

Director Giedrojć:
I inquire of the Suwałki Register Office regarding information on my family. My family was Jewish before my great-great-grandparents converted to Catholicism in or after 1904. Therefore, I have no true birth and paternity information on even my great-great-grandparents. 

For example (and I have attached copies of certain records for your reference per what I am explaining), my great-great-granddad claimed to be Julian John “Felix” Czarnecki né Julian Jan “Feliks” Czarniecki, and the son of Antoni Czarniecki and Katarzyna née Daniłowiczówna. He specifically claimed to be born once on December 24, 1876; and another time on December 24, 1877. However, in a 1920 United States Census Record, he revealed his surname to be “Chernetski”. He also was born or at least made his childhood residence his family’s farm in Lipsk nad Biebrzą.

His wife (my great-great-grandmother), Alexandria Alice Andrulewicz Czarnecki, claimed to have been born on June 26, 1882 in Bose, Sejny Uyezd, Suwałki Gubernia. She claimed to be born Aleksjondria Alicja Andrulewiczówna and the daughter of Antoni Andrulewicz and Katarzyna née Margiewiczówna. Yet, her son (my great-granddad) Anthony John Czarnecki, Sr. was (rather, at least she claimed that he was) born in Cumań, Wołyń. She also had a cousin, Vil’gel’m Andrulevich, in Buzhanka, Zvenigorodka Uyzed, Kiev Gubernia. 

Speaking of my great-granddad, his parents claimed him to be born conversely in Cumań, Wołyń and mainland Poland. They claimed him to be born Antoni Jan Czarniecki on October 23, 1904 and October 24, 1904. He immigrated to Sugar Notch, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, United States with his mother in May 1908.

As I stated, I have attached copies of certain records for your reference per what I am explaining. I hope that you can provide me with the correct information about my great-granddad, his parents, and his grandparents. I also hope—if I may request—that you can provide me with as many records containing the information as possible. In particular, I am interested in specific records such as their birth, baptism, circumcision (b’rit milah), confirmation, bar- and bat-mitzvah, and death certificates and records.

Thank you for your time and assistance.

Sincerely,

Nicole Czarnecki 
Nickidewbear@aol.com 

Enclosed: Certain records mentioned for reference

Tuesday, July 10, 2012

From PolishForums.com: My Testimony In Short

jasondmzk asked me to make this thread, so here the thread goes. I've already told you about the Chernetskis, etc.. Next entered Mary Theresa Trudniak, who my great-great-grandma Alexandria Andrulewicz Czarnecki absolutely forbade my fresh-out-of-a-mental-hospital great-granddad from marrying--she made his situation worse when he went against her refusal and married Mary, anyway. In fact, Great-Grandma herself almost had a mental breakdown because of how badly Great-Great-Grandma treated her and him. When Great-Great-Grandma died on April 6, 1936, the situation should've gotten better--it didn't. It actually got worse.

You can thus imagine what kind of environment my granddad, John "Jack" Czarnecki and all but one of his brothers were raised in (with Anthony, Jr. the First being the one who was mercifully spared because he died two days after he was born). As the surviving Granduncle Tony once stated (referring to Great-Granddad, Pop-Pop, and Dad), "Like father, like son." Also, one PolishForums user quoted what is relevant in Pop-Pop's case: "Children who are abused by their fathers come to hate their mothers." Did he ever hate her for not standing up, then the truth especially when she finally took a stand for it! Pop-Pop later murdered her for it.


Meanwhile, in 1959, he married Joan Gaydos--the daughter of Michael Gaydos, Jr. and Maryisa "Mary" Rusnak Gaydos, an American equivalent of a kapo. You can thus imagine what kind of environment my dad and his siblings were raised in (with one spared, having not even survived the prenatal stages). You can furthermore imagine why my dad became so abusive toward my mom (from whom he filed for divorce on February 14, 1996; and from whom he divorced on June 11, 1998), my sister (who's actually inherited quite a few of his characteristics, I'm afraid), and me.


So much to hide, so many secrets--thus, affecting the chaotic environments, the abuse, and (importantly for me, and at the root of much of the chaos and abuse) the so-to-speak dirty little secret that we're Jews. In fact, Dad got mad at Great-Granddad Gaydos who boasted "We're Russian." during the Cold War. "The only reason that you say that is because you work for the Russian Orthodox Church." He actually said it (as I later figured out) in defense of the Soviet Jewish Community being misrepresented by Meir Kahane--after all, he was born to Michael Gajdos (né Mihal Gajdosz of then-Galszecs, Hungary) and Katherine Susan Gajdos (né Katarina Szoszanna Uszinskyová of Saros, Hungary), both Anusim.
I became a Christian on Easter 1996 or 1997. I was baptized Roman Catholic; and was raised in Columbia, Maryland where I attended and was saved at Christ Episcopal Church. Only when I (thought that I) typed in "jewsforjesus.com" or something like that for a joke, and remembered Dad calling me "Nicole Charnetski" did I get interested in finding out if I'm Jewish. Lo and behold, our so-to-speak dirty little secret was revealed--and did Pop-Pop and others get mad. Some (like Pop-Pop) didn't want me to find out, while others didn't want to find out.


Anyway, there's my testimony in short.