Commentary: "Who Wants To Live Forever", "Senseless Violence", Names, and a Nightclub in Re 9/11

So was about to go a reply to the following comment on a music video for a Queen song:

BreatheFree1 month agoThank you for listing the names. As Bono has said, no family member wants to think they've buried a statistic. Each was a person with a name and family and a life that mattered. Each was a unique person whom a domestic terrorist treated like one in a crowd. We know differently. RIP all who are victims of such violence.

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​ BreatheFree , I know what you mean. On September 11, 1897, a massacre against miners happened in Luzerne County, PA, as I found out today via Wikipedia (since I try to look up events for every day in history). The miners were all apparently Slavic and other gentiles. Looking at those names and the location, though, I knew that an apparently-Slavic (or any other apparently-gentile) Jew could be among them (even if any of his blood was gentile).There was such a one on September 11, 1922, indeed 50 years later. In a mine accident, an apparently-passed-for-gentile Jewish miner named Julian Charnetski (Julian Czarniecki), 46, died (His death certificate read 1879, though.). Before, I'd've looked at the list from 50 years before and not thought much. I'd also not thought of 9/11 as affecting this Jew (namely, myself) as much as it does, even though it did affect me and although I didn't lose any close relativesCANCELREPLY

Then I stopped. I would've continued until I thought that this needs to be shared with others as a reminder that indeed "no family member wants to think they've buried a statistic", and that anyone can be affected. Continuing, then:

....as far as I know. 9/11 affected me, but I didn't know that part of it was a neshamah Yehudit (a Jewish soul) in me responding. Page 251 of the 9/11 Commission Report states that the main target of 9/11 was "Jews, and not necessarily the United States". Then after doing family research, I figured out part of why, and moreso as I subsequently researched: some suspicions that I had were confirmed. Great-Granddad "Charnet-ski" was indeed a Jew; and that, that did indeed explain why my father would pronounce "Czarnecki" as "Charnetski" seemingly randomly enough, although it was really hint dropping. Of course, now that I figured out the heritage and what happened, he denies a lot of it, though I understand it: it can be painful when you're a third- and fourth-generation pogrom survivor (as he is, and his grandfather Anthony Czarnecki's parents survived by becoming b'nei ba'alei teshuvah [children of returnees to Judaism] that returned to Catholicism [as their parents were Anusim and B'nei Anusim whom became ba'alei teshuvah) and your kid figures out what happened after you told her a whole other story (especially when your whole life is based partly on telling lies to keep secrets and for other reasons, with the main reason for that being the big family secret about your heritage). By the way, the age given on the death certificate as well as the name was a lie: he was in fact born Julian Czerniecki (perhaps Julian Zernetzky) on December 24, 1875; and he often gave conflicting information in life to hide his identity.

There it is. The very violence that affected everyone on 9/11 included its effects on this unbeknownst-to-herself Jew on 9/11. The death certificate that she saw on July 25, 2008 confirmed that she was a Jew alone through Anthony, one of whose grandparents was "Katarzyna Danilowicz" (which was omitted from his uncle's death certificate, as "Danilowicz" apparently was a clear giveaway as to one's heritage at that time), and that put what happened almost seven years before she found it out and 79 years after it happened in a whole new light for her. She can then say, "Never think that it may not affected you if you can't be sure that it didn't," and that now she looks at that list on Wikipedia and wonders if those "Slavic" and other miners had any among them whom were like Julian, perhaps even relatives of his, and had or would have descendants whom were a general target for the 9/11 terrorists, whom did not like "Jews and Crusaders".

Now for the whole commentary outside of what would have been the comment:

One commenter posted the following in reply to another on Queen + Adam Lambert's music video for "Who Wants To Live Forever", which they dedicated to the Pulse Nightclub Shooting victims and other victims of "senseless violence" throughout history:

"Thank you for listing the names. As Bono has said, no family member wants to think they've buried a statistic. Each was a person with a name and family and a life that mattered. Each was a unique person whom a domestic terrorist treated like one in a crowd. We know differently. RIP all who are victims of such violence."

I know what he means. On September 11, 1897, a massacre against miners happened in Luzerne County, PA, as I found out today via Wikipedia (since I try to look up events for every day in history). The miners were all apparently Slavic and other gentiles. Looking at those names and the location, though, I knew that an apparently-Slavic (or any other apparently-gentile) Jew could be among them (even if any of his blood was gentile).  

There was such a one on September 11, 1922, indeed 50 years later. In a mine accident, an apparently-passed-for-gentile Jewish miner named Julian Charnetski (Julian Czarniecki), 46, died (His death certificate read 1879, though.). Before, I'd've looked at the list from 50 years before and not thought much. I'd also not thought of 9/11 as affecting this Jew (namely, myself) as much as it does, even though it did affect me and although I didn't lose any close relativesas far as I know. 9/11 affected me, but I didn't know that part of it was a neshamah Yehudit (a Jewish soul) in me responding. Page 251 of the 9/11 Commission Report states that the main target of 9/11 was "Jews, and not necessarily the United States". Then after doing family research, I figured out part of why, and moreso as I subsequently researched: some suspicions that I had were confirmed. Great-Granddad "Charnet-ski" was indeed a Jew; and that, that did indeed explain why my father would pronounce "Czarnecki" as "Charnetski" seemingly randomly enough, although it was really hint dropping. 

Of course, now that I figured out the heritage and what happened, he denies a lot of it, though I understand it: it can be painful when you're a third- and fourth-generation pogrom survivor (as he is, and his grandfather Anthony Czarnecki's parents survived by becoming b'nei ba'alei teshuvah  that returned to Catholicism [as their parents were Anusim and b'nei Anusim whom became ba'alei teshuvah]) and your kid figures out what happened after you told her a whole other story (especially when your whole life is based partly on telling lies to keep secrets and for other reasons, with the main reason for that being the big family secret about your heritage). By the way, the age given on the death certificate as well as the name was a lie: he was in fact born Julian Czerniecki (perhaps Julian Zernetzky) on December 24, 1875; and he often gave conflicting information in life to hide his identity.

There it is. The very violence that affected everyone on 9/11 included its effects on this unbeknownst-to-herself Jew on 9/11. The death certificate that she saw on July 25, 2008 confirmed that she was a Jew alone through Anthony, one of whose grandparents was "Katarzyna Daniłowicz" (which was omitted from his uncle's death certificate, as "Daniłowicz" apparently was a clear giveaway as to one's heritage at that time), and that put what happened almost seven years before she found it out and 79 years after it happened in a whole new light for her. She can then say, "Never think that it may not have affected you if you can't be sure that it didn't," and that now she looks at that list on Wikipedia and wonders if those "Slavic" and other miners had any among them whom were like Julian, perhaps even relatives of his, and had or would have descendants whom were a general target for the 9/11 terrorists, whom did not like "Jews and Crusaders". She's now even thinking of looking up their death certificates to find out—i.e., were they relatives; and were they thus indirect targets of the terrorists? Besides, they have the right to be counted as such for the record if they were, as they were victims of direct Anti Semitism in Polish Russia and elsewhere (including the U.S.) as well as indirect victims of 9/11 (and I'll add those corrections on their death-certificate indexes to note that).