The Disgustingness of Legalism

I'm embarrassed that many here are forgetting Genesis 50:20, 1 Samuel 16:7, Acts 15, Romans 14, and Colossians 2:13-17, among other verses. First of all, Yeshua made a New Covenant and nailed the 613 mitzvot to the Cross (though some remain--see Acts 15, e.g.). Secondly, a holiday that Yeshua celebrated, namely Hanukkah, comes from a pagan tradition. Thirdly, your Yahushua or Yahushishi or whoever you worship in the place of Yeshua is not the Mashiach. "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,  which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ." (Galatians 1:6-7) Yeshua is clearly useless to you, since you pursue your own righteousness through Torah. "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”" (Galatians 2:21) Only non-believing Jews are still under the Old Covenant. "For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

By the way, Sha'ul once persecuted Yeshua. Think about that if and when you persecute Sha'ul and say that Sha'ul (who became Paul) was not following Yeshua. "But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ." (Galatians 1:11-12). You are doing to both Sha'ul and ultimately Yeshua what Sha'ul once did to Yeshua.

Object as you will, but then why does Yirimiyahu prophesy the following? "“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”"

You've made Yeshua quite useless, then; and I don't go after the majority to do evil. Also, many didn't believe that Yeshua was and is Mashiach.

"What's the difference between Jews, Christians, and Catholics?"

I can sadly and unfortunately tell you that a majority of Jews actually do not believe in Jesus (Hebrew, "ישוע", "Yeshua"). In fact, Jews like me are often intraethnically persecuted (e.g., told that we're no longer Jewish or even that we're actually just gentiles posing as Jews in order to proselytize and destroy Jewish souls, thus attempting to finish the evil work of the Nazis). Also, I am quite sure that this answer may even be disliked and/or reported by Anti-Messianic Jews who will attempt to slanderously portray me as Anti Semitic.

However, many (if not most) Non-Messianic Jews are tolerant of Jesus-believing (Messianic) Jews (Jewish Christians), although they disagree with Messianic Jews on whether or not there is even a literal Messiah ("משיח", "Mashiach) and/or who Mashiach is. For example, Karaites and Orthodox Pharisees (and Ultra-Orthodox Pharisees) do believe in a literal, yet-to-come (or, in the case of Menachem Mendel Schneerson's followers, yet-to-be-resurrected) Mashiach. Conservative and Reform Pharisees generally do not believe in a literal Mashiach.

Some Non-Messianic Jews, and even some Messianic Jews, are Crypto Jews ("אנוסים", "Anusim"). Many direct paternal ancestors from the 1700s-1900s became or were born to such--in fact, my dad and his parents deny that we're Jewish because (long story short) dad's paternal granddad became an Anusi when he was a baby to survive the pogroms and escape Anti Semitism in better-than-nothing America, and my dad's Anusit maternal grandmother was partly responsible for the murder of her Non-Anusi relatives who died in the Holocaust (which, for Grandma, is pretty painful to recall--she was six to eight years of age when her mother denied Vilmos Rusznak, Zoli Grinfeld, and other cousins [z'l] financial help to leave Europe and make aliyah ["עליה"]. In fact, she once snapped at my mom, "You keep your money in your own country." when Mom unknowingly and unintentionally opened that painful and reminding wound that Great-Grandma left in her daughter's soul.).

Most Anusim were or (as are my grandparents) are Roman or Byzantine Vaticanists ("Catholics", "universalists")--partly because they're in dread of the Vatican, which attempted to supersede Mount Zion with Vatican Hill because of replacementism. Some Anusim (e.g., Issac D'Israeli and Heinrich Marx) were or are Lutheran, Anglican, or affiliated with other denominations that broke away from Vaticanism. Very few Anusim are affiliated with Anabaptist or other Non-Vaticanist denominations (Even my dad, who goes to a Southern Baptist church, goes to a Southern Baptist church only because his wife is a Southern Baptist. If he were not an Anusi, he'd be a Reform Jew.).

As for Vaticanists, be sadly assured that most are not Christians. Christians (including Jewish Christians) believe in the inerrancy and infallibility of the Christian/Completed Jewish Bible (Old and New Covenants/Testaments). Vaticanists generally do not, as they tend to either believe what the Vatican says about it (as opposed to what it says for itself) or the "Documentary Hypothesis" (e.g., Non-Messianic Jews--excepting Karaites, Orthodox Pharisees, and Ultra-Orthodox Pharisees--and Vaticanists alike would agree with the words of Reform Pharisee clergywoman Amy Scheinerman--i.e., "Some institutions are considered to be a product of the cultural milieu and societal norms of the ancient Near East when the Hebrew Scriptures [i.e., the Old Covenant] were written down, and do not speak to our lives today.")

Hopefully, this clears up any confusion and specifies differences as well as similarities for you.

My Response To "Taking My First Trip to Ukraine, Under the Watchful Eyes of Jesus"

Firstly, I think that brushing away the "holy water" was unnecessary. Unless one puts meaning behind an item or object, the item or object is just the said item or object--at least in cases where the object is not inherently signified or set apart as something. Secondly, when Malina wrote about how her "dad stood slouching in a back corner pew", I was reminded of my own Crypto-Jewish granddad falling asleep in the back of the church that he had his family attend (about which I was told by my aunt Mary--who was, although we are Ashkenazi, named for both of her then-living grandmothers [Mary Trudnak Czarnecki (z"l), the granddaughter of Mária Nagyová Trudnyaková; and Marysia "Mary" Rusnak Gaydos, a Levite and a granddaughter of Mária Nováková Rusznáková]. She distinctly remembers that Pop-Pop would fall asleep in the back of the church while Grandma would Dad and Aunt Mary with her in the church service.).

Thirdly, I relate to Malina's point about how "this is not how I envisioned my first trip to the country where my maternal grandmother... and her entire family fled during pogroms". As someone who just discovered that I'm Jewish and a bat-Anusim a while back, I myself am trying to recover of much of my Jewishness as possible (I was honestly raised to believe that my dad was fully Slavic [Polish, Lithuanian, and Czechoslovakian--I had no idea that he was an Ashkenazi Jew and Matrilineal Levite.]). Granted that I personally believe that one is still Jewish when he or she believes in Jesus (as I myself do), but I agree that a Jew is (to say the very least and maybe understating at least a little bit) remiss to have a Vaticanist ("Catholic", "universal") wedding. I also had to convince my sister and her to-be husband to incorporate some Messianic Jewish traditions into their to-be home (Granted that their officiant will be a Messianic Jewish pastor, but the wedding will still be traditionally Protestant and not Messianic Jewish--and as much as I love my to-be-in-law brother, I was hoping that my sister would find a fellow Jewish believer to marry.).

I Know What Anti Messianics and Self-Hating Jews Want--And It's Not Pretty!

Here's an example from "Slippery Sack"--who, if he is even a real Jew himself, surely doesn't act like one, anyway (Having treif pictures on your YouTube channel does not indicate taking your Jewishness seriously, for example.):

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  Slippery Sack 1 hour ago

  Nicole, You may not be Jewish at all, your family tree seems unconvincing, I am a real Jew, for example my family tree can be traced back to Abraham in an unbroken chain. Nicole it's OK if you are a Goyim. You seem to be trying to hard to be Jewish and quite frankly I'm not convinced.

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  Nicole Czarnecki 24 minutes ago

  Not every Jew--especially many bnei-Anusim--have the luxury that you have. In fact, out of all people, Tracey R. Rich states that "So we see that Jewish genealogy is not as impossible as we might think. But it's not easy either. You are not likely to simply log onto Ancestry (or even JewishGen) and find a comprehensive tree listing your family back 300 years, as some gentiles do." She'd love for bnei-Anusim and Messianics like me to not identify as Jews.

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  Nicole Czarnecki 18 minutes ago

  Also, see "Claim: All Jewish genealogical records lost in 70CE". And we know that after the Galut b'Bavel ended, some could not trace their genealogy. "These sought their register, that is, the genealogy, but it was not found; therefore were they deemed polluted and put from the priesthood. 63 And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim." (Ezra 2:62-63, cf. Nehemiah 7:64-65).

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  Nicole Czarnecki 13 minutes ago

  Also, not every genealogy of everyone is listed in Tanakh or Brit Chadashah. Therefore, your logic would assume that they didn't even exist, let alone be Jewish if they were Jews. Besides, many Messianic Jews took "But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies..." (Titus 3:9) out of context. After all, Yeshua had His genealogy recorded. Paul noted being a Binyamini. The context is in line with "For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?" (1 Corinthians 3:4)

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  Nicole Czarnecki 6 minutes ago

  As John Gill commented, "and genealogies; of their elders, Rabbins, and doctors, by whom their traditions are handed down from one to another, in fixing which they greatly laboured; see ( 1 Timothy 1:4 )". Do we not see that now? e.g., "I am of Calvin--that is, a Calvinist." "I am a Lutheran." But what does Scripture say? "Be... of one mind...." (See 2 Corinthians 13:11) G-d doesn't contradict or change. Messianics, too, will have to consult our genealogies when the Beit HaMikdash is rebuilt.

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I even emphasized what Anti Messianics and Self-Hating Jews want, in case you did not feel like reading carefully and thinking for yourself. 

Why Does Jewishness Matter?

If we Jews don't embrace our Jewish heritage and bless Israel, why should gentiles? If Israel doesn't help Israel, why should the nations? Besides, you know when we really give Hitler, Stalin, and other Anti Semites posthumous victories? When we:

1. Don't care about our Jewishness.
2. Deny our Jewishness.
3. Refuse to stick together as klal-Yisra'el and help each other as ha'am v'hamispacha-Yisra'el.

The Anti Semites want us to drop our Jewishness or otherwise not care about it. Also, what does G-d say about denying or otherwise not caring about our Jewishness? Hint: it's not pretty. For example:

1. "At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves; and they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped; they shall not be gathered, nor be buried, they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth. And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue that remain of this evil family, that remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts. {S} Moreover thou shalt say unto them: Thus saith the LORD: do men fall, and not rise up again? Doth one turn away, and not return? Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? They hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. I attended and listened, but they spoke not aright; no man repenteth him of his wickedness, saying: 'What have I done?' Every one turneth away in his course, as a horse that rusheth headlong in the battle. "
2. "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: Thus saith the LORD: After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem, 10 even this evil people, that refuse to hear My words, that walk in the stubbornness of their heart, and are gone after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, that it be as this girdle, which is profitable for nothing. {S}  For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto Me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD, that they might be unto Me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory; but they would not hearken."

Therefore, excuses such as "I'm not Jewish; I'm Catholic! and "I don't care if we're Jewish--or if we were" don't hold validity--especially when evidence after evidence shows that one is Jewish, and especially when records on Mormon websites have been reindexed as Jewish. Besides, given that people have complained about how the Mormon Church often tried to change Jewish records into gentile records, records of people do not appear in Jewish collections for no reason--even if the records appear as gentile as a gentile's record could get. I even remember one specific complaint about how the Mormons tried to change Jewish "Steins" and other Jews into Germans and Russians (If only I could find that complaint!).

Besides, what did Yeshua say to gentiles through Paul? "You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in Hisgoodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"

By the way, that I'm a bat-Anusim whose families (e.g., many of the Foczkos/Fockos/Foskos) deny that we're Jewish drives much of my commentary work--I want to comment on my own situation to help other bnei- v'banot-Anusim who are in the same position that I am (that is, having found out that they are Jewish and having their own Jewish family persecute them for acknowledging what they found out and embracing their heritage) and who are in the position that I was in (that is, being lied to about who they are and otherwise not knowing that they are Jewish). 

Besides, as a website regarding Canavan's disease opined, "Jewish family heritage, not religious practice, is the risk factor for inherited genetic disease. It is quite possible that an individual who does not identify as Jewish in a religious sense is Jewish in terms of genetic heritage. What's important is the geographic and religious identification of parents and grandparents, not synagogue membership."

For Anusim v'bnei-Anusim, though, we don't have the luxury of our parents and grandparents identifying as Jewish. Sometimes, we have to go as far as back as great-great-grandparents or even further back. Besides, G-d did say, "And they shall bring all your brethren out of all the nations for an offering unto the LORD, upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to My holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring their offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. And of them also will I take for the priests and for the Levites, saith the LORD." 

Sometimes, that's all that we have--at least this kid who heard "Charnetski" and typed in "JewsForJesus.com" (or something like that) for (what I thought was) a joke did--and again, that I'm a bat-Anusim whose families (e.g., many of the Foczkos/Fockos/Foskos) deny that we're Jewish drives much of my commentary work--I want to comment on my own situation to help other bnei- v'banot-Anusim who are in the same position that I am (that is, having found out that they are Jewish and having their own Jewish family persecute them for acknowledging what they found out and embracing their heritage) and who are in the position that I was in (that is, being lied to about who they are and otherwise not knowing that they are Jewish). 

In conclusion, Jewishness matters--for G-d, family, and tikun-ha'olam--and one does not have the "luxury" to futz around when he or she finds out that he or she is part of ha'am v'hamishpacha-Yisra'el. Besides, the consequences of futzing around are not pretty. 

"I'm Not Jewish. I'm Catholic!"

You're still Jewish, Greg Gutfeld. What was wrong with Bill O'Reilly wishing you a Happy Hanukkah? If only more Jews like you were wished such. Even Chabad.org (much to their chagrin, I suppose) states, "If Judaism is a religion, then someone who doesn’t believe in the religion should be no longer Jewish. The reality, however, is that it doesn’t work that way." Also, "According to Torah law, a person's Jewishness is not a matter of life-style or self-perception: one may be totally unaware of one's Jewishness and still be a Jew, or one may consider himself Jewish and observe all the precepts of the Torah and still not be a Jew."--and Ruth was a giyoret tzedekah. The Nazis used this against us, and that's when we should have united--Pharisee, Karaite, JuBu, HindJu, Messianic, Sabbatean, and otherwise--and said, "So, we are a 'race'; we are an ethnos, and it is thus as you say--and that gives you no right to commit ethnocide against us. In fact, it holds you more accountable to Yehovah if you even try to touch us. For, ' Behold, they may gather together, but not by Me; whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall because of thee.'" 

. Until you come home, you're not helping us. Coming home doesn't mean that you have to give up being Roman Vaticanist ("Catholic", "Universalist")--there are Evangelical Jewish Catholics (who really are part of the "Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church", and who are Zionists instead of taking their cues from the Vatican). You can even be Agnostic as you stated that you are at present--nobody's here to proselytize you to Yeshua (and, sadly, you won't most of us even believing in Yeshua, anyway).

You too, Kevin--Israelites, Jews, etc. stick together.

Two Problems...

1. I wasn't making reading Scripture a priority in the recently-better times. Thus was fulfilled, "When you have eaten and are full, then you shall bless the Lord your God for the good land which He has given you." (Deuteronomy 8:10) and "When I have brought them to the land flowing with milk and honey, of which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and filled themselves and grown fat, then they will turn to other gods and serve them; and they will provoke Me and break My covenant." (Deuteronomy 31:20) You can see in the Book of Jeremiah, too, how I was handed over to my persecutors because I did not make reading Scripture in better times a priority.
2. I have 140 followers and 517 friends on my regular page, 201 subscribers on YouTube, 469 Twitter followers, plenty of Blogger readers, etc. (if one doesn't account for duplicates). Yet, this isn't translating into "Likes" on my public page. Thus, I have a really-shaky support network and a don't-know-what-to-do conundrum in the more-private sphere. I can't accept every friend request in the world, yet I can't get enough "Likes" (headscratcher).

Problem #1 I'm working on fixing. Problems 2a and 2b are harder to fix without your help.

A Flash To Dad, One Of My Mom's Brother's, and Granduncle Jim All In One Man's Face

He definitely looks at least a little like Granduncle Jim (Why the good brothers got the more-Jewish looks is beyond me. I think that Pop-Pop is not as recognizably Jewish as his two living achim tovim. Then again, maybe it's not beyond me: since they love and seek Yehovah, they got the features of our people more--and, if the AncestryDNA tests are anywhere near accurate, why Dad got a small amount of Jewish atDNA.). I also see one of my mom's brothers (and let's be fair that, that could come from the Siedenburg-Mueller Pundts, and he does have Mom-Mom's nose; but Grandddady could well be Jewish through "John McCoy"--I am still looking). I also saw Dad (and maybe I should Kaddish for Dad, too; but I feel more sorry for the man now than angry at him anymore--after all, e.g., he did take the DNA test and check with Grandma to see if any known relatives in Boston are okay).

By the way, RIP, Granddaddy--I'll meet you someday.

I found this picture of Pop-Pop on Ancestry. He looks so much like Judah "Jude" here (I hate that Shelley and Judah's dad named him after his dad, and that his dad kept the name "Jude" in the first place, by the way--using that name after the Shoah [and both of us were born in the '90s] is not smart. And I guess that my name being "Nicole", since St. Nicholas was an Anti Semite, is a bit of a problem, too.).

This is my mom's brother's photo that he contributed to the family tree. I should get some more photos from him (Hint, hint to a certain uncle.) and Mom.

Just Pray For The Two Guys Involved In This Conversation...

As a sidenote, I know that the Devil redragged me into this debate while I was trying to write the last blog entry and take a stand for Israel.

Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki shared NewsNinja2012's photo.

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    Sander Lebau Well, perhaps she feels that you are, and perhaps a better response than blocking her would be for you to explain your opinion and position on the issue.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I'd rather block her for both our sakes. I guarantee you that she would've blocked or reported me if I called her a religiously-intolerant proselytizer, for example.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Well, what's the point of posting controversial statuses? Now from her perspective you're just some bigot who can't justify your beliefs, whereas you might have been able to change her mind by actually engaging her in discourse.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki And I already said that I'm kiboshing this debate.

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    Sander Lebau Actually, I know Becca, and she wouldn't do that. And of course I don't either.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    So, you don't like having to stand up for your own beliefs? You can preemptively turn comments off, if you don't actually want to defend posts like these.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I want to. Have I censored you two? Have I called you two names? Have I tried to proselytize you? Becca tried to censor and proselytize me by calling me a bigot for a Jewish/Christian belief that I have.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Okay, despite her harsh language, I hardly think she was trying to censor you... She had a pretty well thought-out argument aside from the ad hominem attacks, and to neglect that makes it look like you're incapable of backing up your opinions.

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    Sander Lebau Well, just because WE aren't being censored doesn't mean we can't care about others being silenced. You know what they say, first they came for the Communists, but I was no communist, then they came for the Gypsies, but I was no Gypsie...

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki That's enough, Sander. And she was the one being a Nazi, by the way. She was persecuting me for my legitimately-held religious and scientific belief that active homosexuality is wrong. By the way, "they" came for the Jews who held for years that active homosexuality was punishable by death.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Well, it probably would have seemed a lot more legitimate to her if you could have told her that rather than just blocking her... What you've done is actually antithetical to your beliefs, as now someone who was trying to reach out and possibly communicate you has now written you off.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki As I said, I don't have time for persecutors like her.

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    Sander Lebau But couldn't it also be said that she doesn't have time for persecutors like you?

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Again, why did you bother posting this if you don't have time to actually justify the beliefs behind it?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Who am I persecuting for holding that active homosexuality i wrong?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I do, and it's my wall.

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    Sander Lebau Well, homosexuals...

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Homosexuals.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Not at all.

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    Sander Lebau How so?

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Wait, so you do have the time to justify your beliefs? Why not think of it like that, rather than wasting time on persecutors? Change the persecutor's flawed belief to your superior one!

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Have I called them "homos", "sodomites", etc. once?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I just don't believe in same-sex marriage.

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    Sander Lebau Just because you haven't called someone a name doesn't mean you haven't persecuted them. You ARE kinda denying them a right just because of who they are...

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    Sander Lebau And one could say that that is persecution.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I'm not. I belireve that active homosexuality is a sin.

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    Sander Lebau Aren't you advocating they be denied the right to civil marriage and the government benefits therein?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Am I raiding their homes and dragging them out on the streets? Am I yelling "Sodomite!" every time that I see a homosexual?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki They can marry people of the opposite sex. Who's stopping them?

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    Sander Lebau I think your definition of "persecution" may be a tad too narrow...

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    Sander Lebau But... that's not who they are! Why should they be forced to marry someone they don't care for?

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    Sander Lebau That's... just cruel, Nicole.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Then maybe they can choose to be celibate like other homosexuals have done.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Then, G-d is cruel, huh, Sander?

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    Sander Lebau So, because you believe them to be wrong means that they must be forced to comply with your values?

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    So, it's okay to be gay, so long as you never express your mutual love for another person through physical intimacy?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Hey, Sander, am I advocating this? "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " That's what even Non-Messianic Judaism advocates. I'm not forcing them to do anything. I'm not going into homosexual weddings and stopping the weddings or killing or murdering the brides or grooms.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I didn't say that. Being homosexual is unnatural and either a thorn in the flesh or a choice.

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    Sander Lebau But you are advocating that they be denied their rights because of who they are. Just because you aren't killing them or physically hurting them doesn't mean that you aren't persecuting them.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki So, Non-Messianic Juaism persecutes them, too, huh? By saying that what they're doing is an abomination? G-d's persecuting them?

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    Sander Lebau Yeah, kinda.

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    Sander Lebau That could be said.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Then take it up with G-d, not me.

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    Sander Lebau What do you think of the rest of Leviticus?

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    Sander Lebau He doesn't answer much these days.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Have you tried talking to Him? " And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart. 14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD, and I will turn your captivity, and gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you back unto the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive. "

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Whether you talk to G-d is your choice, but I'm telling you what Tanakh says.

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    Sander Lebau But what do you think about the rest of Leviticus?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki As far as Leviticus, the part about sexual morality remains in effect in the New Covenant. See Acts 15.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
    
    Should it be legal for people to eat shellfish?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki That doesn't apply anymore. See Acts 15 and Romans 14.