"What Nationality Is Margiewicz?" That Took Forever!

Ashkenazi (e.g., Polish) Jewish. It apparently comes from "Margolis" or "mumbler" (which I think that PolishForums may hate conceding, but they did...I asked; they offered up; they have to live with it, and they still aren't getting me and JasonDMZK back until they kick off the Anti Semites, other racists, etc.).

By the way, I will laugh if the person who searched this up is Lukas (and if he or she is Lukas, how was not liking Jews working for you? You're Jewish; we're related; you can't leave it, so learn to love it).

Also, it has various forms:

1. Margiewicz 
2. Margievich
3. Margewicz
4. Margevich
5. Margiewitz
6. Margewitz 
7. Margievitz
8. Margevitz 

Index of 1890 and 1891 NY Immigrants from Austria, Poland, and Galicia

Searching for Surname (phonetically like) Margevich Number of hits: 7 Run on Monday 5 August 2013 at 23:29:18
Surname, Given Name (NARA Soundex)	NY Arrival Date CCYY/MM/DD NARA Film Roll	Ship Name Ship Number	Line # Notes
MAREVITZ, Petor (M613)	1890/08/23  554	Werkendam  1239	21
MAREWICH, Simon (M620)	1890/11/11  558	Russia  1685	356 p
MARSEWITZ, Vincenti (M623)	1890/05/05  547	Umbria  593	39 p
MARGEWITZ, Casemir (M623)	1891/03/20  563	Moravia  339	643
MEIREWICZ, ? (M620)	1891/07/06  571	Rhaetia  997	108
MORGEWICZ, Anna (M622)	1891/09/28  576	Russia  1499	283
MORGEWICZ, Victoria (M622)	1891/09/28  576	Russia  1499	282

 The All Lithuania Revision List Database 1

Searching for Surname (phonetically like) Morgevich Number of hits: 3 Run on Monday 5 August 2013 at 23:22:17
Town Uyezd Guberniya	Surname	Given Name	Father	Relationship	Age This Age Last	Reason Left Year	Comments	Date	Page Registration Former Registration	Publication Type Archive / Fond etc
Ariogala Raseiniai (1818), Kaunas thereafter Kaunas	MARGEVICH	Abram	Eliash	Head of Household	35  missing		Jews living outside of town	14 August 1816	82 1	Revision List LVIA/515/25/383
	MARGEVICH	Sora		Wife	30		Jews living outside of town
	MARGEVICH	Sora Feyga	Abram	Daughter	2		Jews living outside of town

Displaying matches 1 through 3 of 3

Replace the "a" with an "o", and you get more forms. Then you have forms like "Morgovich":

 Lithuania Deaths

Searching for Surname (phonetically like) Morgevich Number of hits: 1 Run on Monday 5 August 2013 at 23:21:41
Name	Father Mother Spouse	Residence Comments	Date of Death DD/MM/YY Hebrew Date Age Cause of Death	Town Uyezd Guberniya	Place Recorded Year Record #	Microfilm Item Image Archive / Fond
MORGOVICH, Shmuil	Movsha  - -  - -	Merech [Merkine]  -	4/4/1882 15 Nisan 5642  20  tuberculosis	Stakliskes  Trakai  Vilnius	Stakliskes, Aukstadvaris rabbinate  1882  M4	2205094 3 1024 LVIA/9858

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"Is Monka a Jewish Last Name?"

Yes; it is. Why? Are we related?

is monka a jewish last name

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More Proof That We're Jewish

I've posted Granduncle Tony's whole e-mail before. But I've (I think) hardly dissected and analyzed the letter as fully as possible. So, here's more analysis, as I gave to a friend per the seeming contradiction between an infrequent letter and a no-contact relationship:

Granduncle Tony did say, "Periodically a church pastor would run a heritage trip back to Poland for a group. Very few of those who immigrated would return. Occasionally someone "in the family" in America would join a relative for the return trip, Usually meeting the Polish or Slovak relatives for the first time and occasionally maintaining a letter writing relationship afterwards. This DID NOT happen in our family.

"There was not very much correspondence with the Polish family. Only an infrequent letter. There were no exchanges other than through the Polish Church which would have clothing drives and send clothes to Poland in general, but not to specific family members. Bertha's photos which came after the trips were the only contact until they asked for the deed to be changed in the mid 1960's."

I suppose that any letters either were letters from us that they refused to answer or letters from them that came through Bertha Wawrzyn.

As Granduncle Tony describes, "I never seen nor did anyone mention anything special brought from Poland. A friend from Sugar Notch, Mrs. Bertha Wawrzyn, visited Poland every few years to see her family and would visit the family while there. All she ever brought back were photos that she took of the Polish Czarnecki's (see earlier comments)."

Some Jews and gentiles did have the attitude of, "You can befriend them; but don't marry them, and don't believe what they believe." As far as I know, Bertha was a Catholic gentile, and we were obviously Crypto Jews--most of the family back home was openly Jewish and Non-Messianic Jewish.

Yeah....No....

There is no proof that we're related to the Romanovs. Russian, yes. Polish, yes. Jewish by ethnicity, and the former two (as well as Hungarian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian, among other types of citizens in Eastern Europe) by citizenship, yes and yes. Romanovs? No...and there's no proof that Stefan Czarniecki (to whom we can't even trace our family tree back) was related to the Romanovs.

czarniecki family romanov family	1
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PS When you find proof that the Czarnieckis or Czerneckis, Uszinskys, Gajdoszes, etc. were related to the Romanovs, please, let me know. By the way, I did see my mispacha from Switzerland. Shalom alecheim, and I'm sorry that I didn't acknowledge you before. By the way, as a PolishForums guy stated, "Andrius is lithuanian equivalent of russian Andrei which comes from greek. Andriulis in lithuanian means 'little Andrius' or 'dear Andrius'. Andriulis + evičius= Andriulevičius. I checked my LIthuanian surnames dictionary and there are a lot of different surnames with root Andr-, and Andrulevičius(without "i") almost exclusively comes from this little town STAKLISKES. Hope it helps."

So, we're Litvaks. Does this help? Incidentally, I'm very Litvake--more intellectual than emotional. 

   

Sirnach, Thurgau arrived from google.ch on "The Nicole Factor: To Begin, Pop-Pop's A Murderer As Well as A Self-Dreading Jew Who Is Ungrateful To His Philosemitic gentile Mother" by searching for andrulewicz.

18:36:08 -- 4 days 1 hour ago

My Foczko Coat Of Arms

I, by using Microsoft Powerpoint, made this with the help of both G-d and the Temple Institute, clip art from Powerpoint, and Google being consulted.

The Hebrew (with Google Translate) reads "Sh'ma Yisra'el". 

Do Some People Still Have a Problem With My Jewishness?

Is this what the whole situation is coming down to?



Am I that much of a Lt. Kaffee? What can I not handle about being a bat-Anusim with, as sordid as my family history is at points, a sordid family history?

Repost: What Glamour? From PolishForums.com

The naysayers like jon357 and Magdalena (who, for whatever reason, want me to continue to fall for Dad's and Pop-Pop's romanticized narrative about Great-Granddad) are the ones who really get my goat. I myself was shocked by the truth--never did I dream that Great-Granddad Czarnecki was born a Chernetski in Tsuman, Ukraine (then Cumań in then-Wołyn, Ukraine-Poland Russia) while his dad was back home in Lipsk nad Biebrzą or Somovo(? So the record says, but would he really have been all the way in Somovo, far from Lipsk; and not, say, Szumowo or Shamovo?)? He was born while his mom may have been making a Rosh Hodesh visit to a cousin, Vil'gel'm Andrulevich, in Buzhanka in the Kiev, Ukraine region. 

The story gets even less glamorous. There is nothing glamorous about converting to Catholicism to fool the Russians into thinking that you finally believe in Jesus as the Jewish Messiah--especially when your family sits shiva for you because you did so. As an e-mail from my Granduncle Tony alludes to (although the poor man still denies that we're Jewish--and that's another discussion. Anyway):

I never seen nor did anyone mention anything special brought from Poland. A friend from Sugar Notch, Mrs. Bertha Wawrzyn, visited Poland every few years to see her family and would visit the family while there. All she ever brought back were photos that she took of the Polish Czarnecki's (see earlier comments).

There was very little discussion of the Polish life and family. Usually, when there was, it was a brief mention of the farm that was left behind. There did not seem to be any regrets about leaving for a better life. After all , they settled among Polish, Slavic, Hungarian, Lithuanian, and Ukrainian people just like themselves. Similar language, similar customs, similar faces, houses, churches, etc. But life was much better than on the farm. They were quite happy in America and much better off. The motherland, Poland, was far off and just a memory, not to be forgotten but no regrets for leaving either.

Periodically a church pastor would run a heritage trip back to Poland for a group. Very few of those who immigrated would return. Occasionally someone "in the family" in America would join a relative for the return trip, Usually meeting the Polish or Slovak relatives for the first time and occasionally maintaining a letter writing relationship afterwards. This DID NOT happen in our family.

There was not very much correspondence with the Polish family. Only an infrequent letter. There were no exchanges other than through the Polish Church which would have clothing drives and send clothes to Poland in general, but not to specific family members. Bertha's photos which came after the trips were the only contact until they asked for the deed to be changed in the mid 1960's.

Once the conversion happened and the shiva was sat, that was it "until they asked for the deed to be changed in the mid 1960's"; with the Holocaust being that dark interim in regards to any contact even with Bertha Wawrzyn--and three Czarnieckis, perhaps cousins, are listed on JewishGen as having been Holocaust victims from Białystok:

Bialystok Children's Transport to Theresienstadt, October 5, 1943


Searching for Surname (phonetically like) Czarnecki
Number of hits: 3
Run on Saturday 28 July 2012 at 22:19:31

Child #
Adult # Surname(s), Given Name Father + Mother Born Transport
10

CZARNIECKI, Tewel
Gerszon + Rochl
1934 Bialystok

11

CZARNIECKI, Jankiel
Gerszon + Rochl
1933 Bialystok

12

CZARNIECKI, Oszer
Gerszon + Rochl
1936 Bialystok

 
What glamour would there be in that for my great-granddad "Antoni" and his parents "Julian" and "Alexandria" (and they gave both sets of his grandparents the names "Antoni" and "Katarzyna"--why that didn't ring bells or raise flags for me at first, I don't know.)? What glamour was there to be had for living as Crypto-Jewish Catholics in Sugar Notch, Pennsylvania to escape WASP (White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant) and WEC (White, European Catholic) Anti Semitism? What glamour was in for "Antoni" (later "Anthony") to grow up to become a man like his "holy terror", "tough cookie" mom (who abused his drunkard dad, her drunkard husband), and then commit suicide once he had time to reflect on just what he became? What glamour?

So, my dad and granddad paint this romanticized picture of a lone Polish immigrant who served in Korea and died of Black Lung in 1972, which is far from the Anthony Czarnecki ne G-d-knows-who Chernetski that he was.