Why Not Convert To Non-Messianic Judaism? Tanakh Itself Should Give You A Hint As To Why.

If I were you, I would not convert to Judaism. I come from a Jewish background (unbeknownst to me for years), and Yeshua did not have me find out until I was secure in the Messianic Jewish (Jewish Christian) faith (and Christianity is a Jewish sect that derived from Essenism, which is with what John the Baptist was affiliated).

In Judaism, you have to keep 613 laws. Concerning the Moabites, for example: "4 An Ammonite or a Moabite shall not enter into the assembly of the LORD; even to the tenth generation shall none of them enter into the assembly of the LORD for ever; 5 because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor of Aram-naharaim, to curse thee. 6 Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee. 7 Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever."

Yet there are other mitzvot, or laws, which state, "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thy heart; thou shalt surely rebuke thy neighbour, and not bear sin because of him. Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD."

In light of those seemingly-contradictory mitzvot, the New Testament states the following (See Romans 7:4-25 for context.):

"13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."

The point is that we were willing to, in this case, hold a grudge against the Mo'avim and Amonim; and Yehovah knew that. That's why He gave us over to that sin.

Yet, if you convert to Judaism, you will have to follow logic like this:

"Whereas certain other nations are allowed to marry into Judaism (if they have converted) after a certain number of generations, when it comes to men from Amon and Mo’av descent, the Torah rules that no such people are ever allowed to marry Jews (23:4). Why are they given such harsh treatment? The pasuk (23:5) tells us that this ban is due to the fact that they hired Bilam to try and curse us, as well as the fact that they did not allow us to pass through their land to go to Eretz Yisrael; they did not greet us with food and drink. But why does this mean that they get harsher treatment than the Egyptians, for example, who can join our ranks after three generations? The Ramban (23:5) explains that these two nations (Amon and Mo’av) were expected to act kindly to us. For generations ago Avraham Avinu saved Lot (the father of both these nations) from captivity, and as such these two nations should have been grateful to us and should have aided us. But since they spurned Avraham’s kindness and exhibited a lack of gratitude, they showed themselves unworthy of joining the Jewish ranks - for a Jew’s life revolves around gratitude. The first word of the day we say is thanks (modeh), and the word yehudim comes from the word hoda’ah, which means to thank. Indeed, such is the centrality of this trait of gratitude, that the reason the Torah gives for eventually allowing Egyptians to join the Jewish fold is because (23:8) we were hosted in their land. Yes, they treated us harshly for two centuries, but (before that) they hosted us in their land and provided us with food when famine had hit Eretz Yisrael. Even for this we are to show a degree of gratitude."

On the other hand, you could become a Karaite Jew; but I already laid out what Romans 7:5-24 says, and Karaites do not believe it. So,

"Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve Him in sincerity and in truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.'"

The rabbis treat themselves as gods. In Bava Metzi'a 59 of the Talmud, for example:

Why [the oven of] 'Aknai? — Said Rab Judah in Samuel's name: [It means] that they encompassed it with arguments2  as a snake, and proved it unclean. It has been taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument,3  but they did not accept them. Said he to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!' Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place — others affirm, four hundred cubits. 'No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,' they retorted. Again he said to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!' Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards — 'No proof can be brought from a stream of water,' they rejoined. Again he urged: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,' whereupon the walls inclined to fall. But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: 'When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what have ye to interfere?' Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!' Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: 'Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!' But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: 'It is not in heaven.'4  What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.5
R. Nathan met Elijah6  and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, 'My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.

Speaking Of Shabbat...

If I already posted this from Yahoo! Answers before, please let me know. Nonetheless, a refresher always helps. On Shabbat especially, to talk about the different forms of Judaism would begin to give others—including Jews who don't know what the heck their own people do, and those who suspect that they are Jewish and would like to have an idea of what Jews do—an idea of what Jews do on Shabbat. Granted that this is basic, modified from the original Yahoo! post, and more for reference than anything else; but it should still give you an idea of what Jews do on Shabbat.

Conservative Judaism is the closest form of Judaism to Orthodox (really, Orthodox Pharisaic) Judaism. Conservative (Masorti) Judaism broke away from Reform Judaism in order to maintain Matrilineal Descent as the rue for "Who is a Jew?" and other traditions, although they do not believe in the inerrancy of Tanakh or the Talmud. The hierarchy is something along the lines of: 

1) Haredi ("Hasidi", "Chabad") Judaism (including Kabbalah) 2) Orthodox Judaism 3) Conservadox Judaism 4) Reformodox Judaism 5) Conservative (Masorti) Judaism 6) Reform (Liberal, "Progressive") Judaism 7) Reconstructionist Judaism 8) Renewal Judaism or Alternative Judaism 9) Humanistic Judaism 10) Atheistic Judaism 


There's also Karaite (Mikra'iti, Scripturalist) Judaism and Messianic (Christian) Judaism, neither of which are accepted by Pharisaic (Mainstream) Judaism.

Now that you have an idea of each of the forms of Judaism, you can pretty much guess what a Jew who affiliates with a given denomination of Judaism does on Shabbat. If you can't, keep reading...

1) Haredi ("Hasidi", "Chabad") Judaism (including Kabbalah)—will not work on Shabbat. "Work" certainly includes even writing, and may even include walking for the extremely-haredi Jew. For the Jew who does not even walk on Shabbat, he or she may sit in his or her home and privately worship (He or she would certainly not walk to shul.). If he or she has any light on in his or her dwelling, the light will come only from the Shabbat candles, as "work" includes turning on a light switch!
2) Orthodox Judaism—will not work on Shabbat. "Work" may include even writing for the more-Orthodox Jew (as opposed to the Modern Orthodox Jew, depending on what he or she is writing). He or she will usually walk to shul, and drive only if tikun ha'olam v'piku'ach nefesh (e.g., getting a disabled family member to shul) requires him or her to do so (He or she may hire a shabbos goy to drive the family member, however.). If he or she has any light on in his or her dwelling, the light will come only from the Shabbat candles, as "work" includes turning on a light switch!
3) Conservadox Judaism—will mix Conservative and Orthodox practices.
4) Reformodox Judaism—will mix Reform and Orthodox practices. 
5) Conservative (Masorti) Judaism—may or may not work on Shabbat, depending on whether he or she leans toward being Orthodox or Reform. "Work" may include even writing for the more-Orthodox Conservative Jew (as opposed to the more-Modern-Orthodox Jew, depending on what he or she is writing). He or she will usually walk to shul, and drive only if tikun ha'olam v'piku'ach nefesh (e.g., getting a disabled family member to shul) requires him or her to do so (He or she may hire a shabbos goy to drive the family member, however.). If he or she has any light on in his or her dwelling, the light may come only from the Shabbat candles, as "work" may include turning on a light switch! 
6) Reform (Liberal, "Progressive") Judaism—may or may not work on Shabbat, depending on whether he or she leans toward being more traditional or more liberal. "Work" may include even writing for the more-Orthodox Reform Jew (as opposed to the less-Orthodox Reform Jew, depending on what he or she is writing). He or she will usually drive to shul—if he or she attends shul at all.  He or she will also likely turn on light switches.
7) Reconstructionist Judaism—may or may not work on Shabbat, depending on whether he or she leans toward being more traditional or more liberal. He or she will write, usually drive to shul—if he or she attends shul at all—, and likely turn on light switches. 
8) Renewal Judaism or Alternative Judaism—may or may not work on Shabbat, depending on whether he or she leans toward being more traditional or more liberal. He or she will write, drive to shul—if he or she attends shul at all—, and turn on light switches.  
9) Humanistic Judaism—would not be opposed to working on Shabbat. He or she will write, drive to shul—if he or she attends shul at all—, and turn on light switches.  
10) Atheistic Judaism—would not be opposed to working on Shabbat. He or she will write, drive to shul—if he or she attends shul at all—, and turn on light switches. 


Karaite Judaism and Messianic (Christian) Judaism, meanwhile, accept few to no Orthodox practices as authoritative. Karaite and Messianic Jews, therefore, usually work on Shabbat except for in the ways which are prohibited by TaNaKh—for Messianics, TaNaKH ("H" stands for "[B'rit] Hadashah", or "New [Covenant] [or "New Testament"]"). Both Karaites and Messianics usually write, drive to shul, and turn on light switches.

How "Rabban"ism and Catholicism Are Equivalent, As Demonstrated Re Ed Koch and Others

•   Maybe Ed Koch was a Jewish Catholic, and Anti Messianics make people who are like he possibly was afraid to say that, though. 
• As a Messianic and what I consider a "Messianic Karaite" (as much as I love Nehemiah Gordon, and I know that he and other Karaites don't like that term--as he's made clear), I learned the hard way at the hands of those like Emily Katz Boling and "Rabbi" Jason Klein will attack you as a person if they can't attack what they consider the problems of Karaite and Messianic Judaism. By the way, I never submitted Jason's name, although I certainly found comfort in someone submitting it.
• "Rabbinical Judaism is the Catholicism of Judaism."--a friend of mine (and I don't think that he'd care if I named him; I'm just too lazy to name him right now). Re Points 1 and 2, and looking at groups like Hillel, Outreach Judaism, and MERCAZ, one can see that Pharisee Judaism is indeed Judaism's "Catholicism" or Vaticanism ("Catholic" just means "Universal", and I hate when words are perverted. There are Evangelical "Catholics"/Vaticanists, by the way; just like there are Karaites who follow some Pharisaic customs that are acceptable in light of Tanakh and do not contradict it--e.g., wearing kippot, celebrating Hanukkah. Remember that G-d looks at intent [cf. 1 Samuel 16:7].).
• Re Point 3, remember how Vaticanists (including Byzantine Vaticanists--though their Vaticans are their various flagship episcopates in places such as Constantinople [now Izmir]--and Jerusalem)  used the Inquisitions, pogroms, tribunals, and other tactics to attack Jews, Protestants, and others who weren't "Catholic" or "Catholic enough". This is what groups like Yad L'Achim, MERCAZ (who "[o]ppose any change in ‘Who is a Jew’ and ‘The Law of Return’"), and Outreach Judaism do to those who "aren't Jewish" or "aren't Jewish enough".

The Dangers of Talmudic Thinking For Messianic and Other Certain Jews

A conversation that I had with a friend illustrates how dangerous P'rushiyin groups like Hillel Campus Communities, Outreach Judaism, and MERCAZ are. Since he did comment on a public status and even asked if he could share what I am posting, I'm going to assume that linking to the conversation is okay. By the way, go after me if you want to go after anybody. Actually, go after Yehovah--" 'Why strive ye with me? wherefore do ye try the LORD?' " And see how well going after Yehovah goes--I guarantee that it won't go well. "Hear ye now what the LORD saith: Arise, contend thou before the mountains, and let the hills hear thy voice. 2 Hear, O ye mountains, the LORD'S controversy, and ye enduring rocks, the foundations of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with His people, and He will plead with Israel. 3 O My people, what have I done unto thee? And wherein have I wearied thee? Testify against Me. "

The Dangers of Hillel Campus Communities For Messianic and Certain Other Jews

Obviously, UMBC JSU and Hillel taught me to avoid Hillel Camous Communities at all costs. I've heard horror stories about other branches as well. e.g., A kohen was rejected by Princeton Hillel.  "As a college student, my community has caused me an enormous amount of harm. Well-meaning friends advise me to "just convert," with no comprehension of the feeling of having your Jewish roots pulled out from under you. The treatment by my somewhat-learned peers has practical ramifications as well. For the past year, I have ceased attending Friday night dinners at my Hillel to avoid the embarrassment of declining to lead kiddush and motzi and having to explain why. "

This was originally cited as "2. Student at Princeton Hillel Rejected by Other Students after Discovery Mother was a Convert — This story has a better ending than many such stories. The Half-Jewish Network contacted the rabbi, and it is probable that many other people and groups did as well.

"The rabbi reached out to the student involved, set up an open community meeting on the subject, and created a committee to devise new policies for the future that will cut down on this type of incident. Rabbi Julie Roth’s response was impressive, as most Jewish institutions ignore complaints from half-Jewish members."

Of course, their policy on Messianics is "As a result, Outreach Judaism offers lectures on college campuses and in Jewish communities with multilevel informational resources, campus outreach, counseling, discussion groups, and networking with other Jewish organizations that deal with the dangers of the Messianic movement and cults." 

So, get out of any Hillel Campus Community that you are in if you are a Messianic or certain other (e.g., Karaite, Non-Messianic Patrilineal Jew and Talmudi) type of Jew. "For Israel is not widowed, nor Judah, of his God, of the LORD of hosts; for their land is full of guilt against the Holy One of Israel. 6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and save every man his life, be not cut off in her iniquity; for it is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; He will render unto her a recompense. 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken; the nations have drunk of her wine, therefore the nations are mad."

What Is Working On Shabbat? Does Driving Count?

Working on Shabbat is not any of the following, which needs to be addressed in order to understand what working on Shabbat is:

1. Playing on the computer or any other device.
2. Driving or walking to Shabbat services at your local synagogue or church (To the brats--and I address you later as well--, you ought to get some fresh air and realize that there are Jews and Israelophilic gentiles who observe Shabbat services in churches.).
3. Preparing your food (which is specifically in Tanakh).
4. Kindling fire for non-work purposes (which is implied in Tanakh).
5. Bathing (unless you're bathing after you've engaged in certain activities; which, under the Old Covenant, you're arguably not supposed to be doing on Shabbat).
6. Anything else that isn't intended as work (e.g., flushing a toilet).

Firstly, "[I]t is not as man seeth: for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." If it is not intended as work, it is not work. Secondly, "no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done by you." The first day of Pesach is like Shabbat--you cannot work except for what you need to eat. Some will ask, "Well, what about as gathering the manna was or the Jubilee Year is? Shouldn't you prepare your food the day [or year] before, and double what you would prepare on every other day?" That may not work for everybody. For example, the composition of a food can change even in an hour depending on that which the food is exposed to; and that may not work for someone whose system is intolerant of even the slightest--v.g.--fermentation or temperature change in food, and they may need to eat only fresh foods. So, leaving out that challah for an hour or refrigerating that wine may be breaking piku'ach nefesh--saving a life (e.g., choosing life in the first place)--anyway, and piku'ach nefesh comes first. 

Besides (though this is another discussion), making Shabbat the Queen, the challah, the candle lighting, and the wine were all practices to Sikkut and Kiy'un (like the Star of David was a pagan symbol)--and Messianics can redeem those practices; Non Messianics (arguably) can not. That's part of why at least some Karaites don't follow those practices, and they look for "Rabbi"nical ways to be cleansed from Israel. 

As for the man who was gathering wood on Shabbat--since he needs to be addressed and was going to be brought up, anyway--was intending to work. Again, God looks at intent. As one woman stated (with my emphasis put on her words), "But what constitutes "for real" [Shabbatnikery]? Not using electricity? Not using money? Not watering the crops? Going to synagogue? I think it's clear that one can choose to observe a sabbath in many ways - from spending time with friends and family to not doing job-related work to having people over for a Friday night meal - any statistics will be self-reported and most likely not well-defined here." (Also, to be fair and for example, watering your gluten-free crops for your gluten-intolerant family member or your beloved flowers in your gadren is not work.).

Also, if you can't figure out why I'm linking to certain books in the JPS Tanakh, then you go look up the specific verses on BibleGateway yourself--I don't want to use the New King James Version and get accused of proselytizing by certain brats (and you know who you are; and that's the nicest way that I can describe you, since you are--and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by stating that you are--acting like petulant children). 

Who is a Heretic? Talmudists, Please Read

May the Talmudists "come and hear" and reason with Yehovah, that they may be saved.

Addendum: : "I encourage all to look into Karaite thought. The Talmud is very illogical and inconsistent and very clearly unlike the Torah. I was born a rabbinic, but was exposed to the idea of Karaism in an academic setting by a rabbinic Jewish professor. I explored the idea further and became convinced that it is the correct strand of Judaism."--Liron, "JWeekly".

This isn't to say that the Talmud does not have gems, or that some of the Talmud can't be confirmed by the Brit Chadashah. However, Jesus (Yeshua) was a Karaite; and what did He say? " Yet will I leave seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.'" (1 Kings 19:18; cf. Romans 11:1-5).

What Happens When Scripture Is Not Viewed With Non-Messianic Eyes Is That...

There may not be a full understanding of who the AntiChrist is and how dangerous he will be.

Nicole Czarnecki

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·                                 ‎, re the Antichrist: if I thought any differently, I would've said so. I used to think that Mendel Schneerson could be the AntiChrist. But he's a Pharisee, not a Karaite (cf. Isaiah 2:6), and he wouldn't profess to cleanse Israel from Pharasaic ways (cf. Ezekiel 36:24-26). Also, both Karaite and Pharisee tradition claim that the Messiah has to be descended from Judah and Joseph (Mashiach ben-Yehudah v'Yosef), and I haven't seen Nehemia Gordon make such a claim about his descent. Also, Nehemiah has claimed that he's waiting for the Messiah. This guy (whoever he is) has to be a Messianic claimant and a claimant of descent from Yehudah and Yosef.

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[Name Censored] The Anti-Christ is not Jewish. He is an Arab of Syrian descent. Look at the life of Antiochus Epiphanes and you will better understand. He is the leader of the LAST Gentile Empire. The False Prophet is Jewish, just as the False High Priest helped An...See More

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Nicole Czarnecki Why would we follow an Arab of Syrian descent? That seems neither consistent with Scripture nor consistent with tradition. In fact, one of our main accusations against Jesus was that he was a Jewish traitor, and that Jews for Jesus (especially b'nai-Anusim like me) are insidious goyim posing as Jews.

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[Name Censored] Signing a peace treaty does not mean Israel is following the antiChrist. Israel has signed numerous treaties with other nations, including Egypt & Jordan. We don't follow them, but we expect peace from them. It will be the same with the AntiChrist.

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Nicole Czarnecki But we would never follow a goy as Mashiach.

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[Name Censored] A few will accept the AC as a Messiah, but the rest don't - that is one reason why the AC breaks his covenant in the middle of the 7 year period, then begins to persecute the Jews in earnest.

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[Name Censored] Don't forget the signs and wonders which the false prophet will do & he is the one who points to the AC as the Messiah.

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[Name Censored] Israelis are so secular and have many idols these days - they are constanly being led astray by gurus, etc.

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Nicole Czarnecki And that's exactly why a Karaite would have to be the AntiMessiah. I have a whole blog entry on this. As I said, I'm looking at Scripture for a Non-Messianic perspective and tradition from the same. The Hyper-Anti-Catholic and Anti-Arab/Anti-Mohammedan view clouds what is sad and unavoidable truth, yet also avoids giving my people credit for at least not following a goy as Mashiach.

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Nicole Czarnecki Also, the worst enemies of Jews have to be Jews. Look at George Soros and Adolf Hitler--both Self-Hating Jews (and the latter of whom I did not believe was a Jew until DNA testing concluded that he was a Jew of Berber descent). Also, the AntiMessiah will especially go after Jews who end up being "minim", "koferim", "meshumadim", etc. for believing in "JC".

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[Name Censored] There is a reason why the Bible follows two bloodlines - Ishmael & Isaac - Arab & Jew. AntiChrist & Messiah Yeshua.

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[Name Censored] The False Prophet is Jewish.

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Nicole Czarnecki So's the Antimessiah. To think the AntiChrist to be an Arab is not consistent with Scripture, nor would a false Trinity work with an Arab. Most Jews would be like, "We didn't follow Yeshu; why would we follow an Arab?"

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[Name Censored] The Anti-Christ is the son of Satan & a human mother. Satan hates the Jews because when they call on Yeshua to return, it spells doom for Satan. It is Satan's attempt at the Holy Trinity (Unholy Trinity).

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[Name Censored] Let's be clear - signing a treaty is not "Following" anyone.

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Nicole Czarnecki But there's no proof of that in Scripture. The Antichrist has to be descended from Yehudah and Yosef, which both Karaite and Pharisee tradition agree on. That's why pinning Angelo Scola (or whoever heads the Vatican) or an Arab Mohammedan, or Copt, or whoever can't be the AntiMessiah.

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[Name Censored] There is not a single verse in the Bible that says the AC is Jewish.

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Nicole Czarnecki Isaiah 2:6 and Ezekiel 36:24-26 would imply it. Also, as I said, who else would we be tricked into following as Mashiach?

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[Name Censored] The Karaites and the Pharisees do not study the New Testament. Revelation quotes over 500 times from the Old Testament.

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Nicole Czarnecki So that's exactly why I'm looking at it from their eyes.

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Nicole Czarnecki http://thenicolefactor.blogspot.com/2013/03/why-is-ruler-of-vatican-seen-as.html

The Nicole Factor: Why Is the Ruler of the Vatican Seen As the AntiChrist?

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[Name Censored] Isa. 2:6 describes Israel as it has been down through the ages and is today, outside of the believers in Yeshua. Ezekiel 36 describes what God will do for Israel in the end times. Those verses have nothing to do with the AC.

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Nicole Czarnecki If we base the AntiMashiach solely on what Brit Chadashah and clouded Anti-Catholic, Anti-Arab views say, then we're in trouble and not recognizing the real danger that my people are.

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[Name Censored] I am getting my verses from the Old Testament and I don't have any Catholic doctrine in my view. Strictly Jewish.

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Nicole Czarnecki Isaiah 2:6 and Ezekiel 36:24-26 imply a "cleans[ing] you from all your filthiness and from all your idols"--hence, Sikut and Ki'yun (cf. Amos 5:26-27). Cross referencing helps.

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Nicole Czarnecki But you have Anti-Catholic and/or Anti-Arab views to suggest that the Antichrist would be the "Pope" or a Mohammedan.

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[Name Censored] The AC does not follow the faith of his fathers -- INstead he follows the god of fortresses. The AC will not be a pope or a mohammedan.

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Nicole Czarnecki And to say that the AntiMashiach is goyisch actually takes credit away from my people, says that we'd be stupid enough to follow a goy as Mashiach. Part of the danger is that the AntiMashiach will be descended from Yehudah and Yosef, and not at all from Satan. The Mashiach is Non-Messianic messianism has to be a fully-human Jew born of two Jewish parents, one descended from Yehudah.

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Nicole Czarnecki Then he can't be Arab, Assyrian, or another type of goy. If he were, we'd be safe and laugh him off.

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[Name Censored] Stop using the term "following". It is not correct.

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[Name Censored] No one here is laughing about Arabs, Syrians, MUslims, etc.

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Nicole Czarnecki Even Jew Or Not Jew says about Jesus, "Verdict: Sadly, a Jew." So, the AntiMessiah can't be an Arab or Syrian or we'd never think him to be Mashiach.

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[Name Censored] Logic:

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Nicole Czarnecki Which I'm using.

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Nicole Czarnecki Many Jews won't accept Jesus because he is, in their eyes, "The Original Goy" asJew Or Not Jew puts it. How much less would we follow a Syrian or Arab as Mashiach?

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Nicole Czarnecki I even thought that Mendel Schneerson could be the AntiMessiah, but this is not consistent with Scripture or where the Karaite and Pharisee views merge.

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[Name Censored] Major Premise: The Jews will acept the AC as Messiah. Minor Premise: The Jews will never accept a Gentile as Messiah. Conclusion: The AC will be a Jew. FAULTY CONCLUSION. The BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT ISRAEL WILL ACCEPT THE AC AS MESSIAH.

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[Name Censored] Neither the Karaites or the Pharisees have the Holy Spirit in them. Why are you listening to them?

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Nicole Czarnecki It implies it, though. Who else would any even-remotely-reasonable Jew accept as Mashiach? Again, if we call Jesus "The Original Goy", we won't accept a real goy as Mashiach.

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Nicole Czarnecki That's exactly why--because they, not having the Holy Spirit, will accept (for a lack of a better term) a sort of Karaite kapo as Mashiach. You have to see it from their eyes to understand who they'll be accepting from yours. In other words, they'll accept only a Jewish AntiMessiah as the Jewish Mashiach.

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[Name Censored] It is a Peace Treaty that Israel signs with the AC and it divides up the Land, which God considers the last straw with the Jewish People & so He calls this "peace Treaty" a Covenant of Death and promises an overflowing scourge. That is what Israek does with the AC -- there is no promise of a messiah. That is NOT what brings the Tribulation.

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Nicole Czarnecki And a Self-Hating Jew wouldn't be willing to broker a peace treaty and divide Israel?

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Nicole Czarnecki As much as nobody likes to accept that Jerry Falwell was painfully right, he at least understood the Non-Messianic view of Mashiach to understand who the AntiMashiach will be.

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[Name Censored] Why would a jew need to broker a peace agreement with jews? This is between the RULER of the Last Gentile Empire on earth and the nation of Israel.

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Nicole Czarnecki Because all the peace treaties brokered with goyim and non claimants of Messiahship have failed.

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[Name Censored] This one will fail also. The AC will violate it.

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Nicole Czarnecki I don't get kicks out of thinking that a Karaite Jew will be the Anti Mashiach, but I'm looking at Scripture . Also, who more powerfully to violate the peace treaty than a kapo? And again, look at Hitler and Soros--they'll be tame compared to whoever the AntiMashiach is.

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[Name Censored] Genesis 3:15 talks of two seeds. The seed of the woman - Yeshua. and the seed of the serpent. AntiChrist.

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[Name Censored] The AC is energized by Satan.

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Nicole Czarnecki And the physical seed of demons was destroyed in the Flood. "Seed" in Genesis 3:15 also means spiritual seed. Even Jesus said that the Anti-Messianics' dad was the devil.

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Nicole Czarnecki I didn't say that he wasn't; but who more powerful for Satan than a kapo to work in?

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[Name Censored] This time it will be Satan who intermarries with a human woman. Does that make the seed Jewish?

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Nicole Czarnecki It will not literally be Satan. It'll be a patrilineal descendant of Yehudah and/or Yosef who marries a Jewish woman. Also see http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:14-15;%20John%208:43-47&version=CJB

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Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 3:14-15, John 8:43-47 - Complete Jewish Bible

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Nicole Czarnecki "Zera(h)" can be physical as well as spiritual. None of the Anti Messianics are literally (physically) descended from Satan or demons.

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[Name Censored] It is the same seed that literally became Yeshua. It is the same seed that literally will become the AC. Don't spiritualize it - that's the error of the Gnostics. There was an actual Savior, supernaturally born. There will be an actual AC, supernaturally born. Satan always copies the real thing the best he can.

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Nicole Czarnecki Look at Genesis 6, though--demons copulating with humans will never happen again. Also, "zerah" can be spiritual.

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[Name Censored] God put those fallen angels in prison for doing that. But Satan has one last chance to "rule" and he knows his time is short, so he is making the best of it. He is fighting against God. He is disobedient. Give me one good reason why he will start obeying god now.

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[Name Censored] Dan. 8:23-25 & Dan. 11:36-39 describes the AC, his involvement with the occult and his plan to divide the Land.

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Nicole Czarnecki But he won't copulate with a Jewish woman. No Jewish woman would copulate with a demon.

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Nicole Czarnecki See Romans 9:6-8.
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
6 But the present condition of Isra’el does not mean that the Word of God has failed.

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Nicole Czarnecki And a Non-Messianic Karaite kapo can't do all that?

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[Name Censored] knowingly.

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Nicole Czarnecki Even a Non Messianic knows Genesis 6 well and would not copulate with someone or something suspicious.

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[Name Censored] The beast (AC) comes from the sea. Whenever symbolism is used in the Bible, it is used consistently. The sea always represents the gentile nations. The False Prophet comes from the Land. (always a symbol for Israel.

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Nicole Czarnecki And where is this in Scripture?

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Nicole Czarnecki Genesis 22:17
I will most certainly bless you; and I will most certainly increase your descendants to as many as there are stars in the sky or grains of sand on the seashore. Your descendants will possess the cities of their enemies,

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Nicole Czarnecki Genesis 49:13
“Z’vulun will live at the seashore, with ships anchoring along his coast and his border at Tzidon.
Genesis 49:12-14 (in Context) Genesis 49 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

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Nicole Czarnecki The sea, both literally and non literally (e.g., similies, metaphors), is figured in with Israel quite a few times.

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[Name Censored] Ariel Ministries has an excellent book compiling all the endtime Scriptures and categorizing them. Footsteps of the Messiah by Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum. If you are interested. He also has a teaching camp in the Adirondack Mtns, NY- seminary level teaching from a Jewish Perspective.

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[Name Censored] The Scripture is in Rev.

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Nicole Czarnecki As I said, though, the sea, both literally and non literally (e.g., similies, metaphors), is figured in with Israel quite a few times.

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[Name Censored] Zvulun lives on the Land by the sea.

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[Name Censored] Here we are today

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[Name Censored] yes!

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Nicole Czarnecki So, the AntiMessiah can't be a Jew who "comes from the Sea", maybe was born on the Israeli seas?

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[Name Censored] that's stretching it - 

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[Name Censored] The Lord bless you Nicole!

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Nicole Czarnecki Not reall.. "Micah 7:12
a day when [your] people will come [back] to you from Ashur and from the cities of Egypt, from Egypt and from as far as the Euphrates River, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain."

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[Name Censored] I must go - it's getting late.

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Nicole Czarnecki Ok. L'laila tov and be blessed as well.

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[Name Censored] Messianic Kingdom... after the Trib.

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Nicole Czarnecki That's not how Non Messianics interpret it. L'laila tov.

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