Just Pray For The Two Guys Involved In This Conversation...

As a sidenote, I know that the Devil redragged me into this debate while I was trying to write the last blog entry and take a stand for Israel.

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• Let me put it this way, too: when G-d makes hot dogs to start fitting into hot dogs and buns into buns (if you know what I mean), then we can talk.

  

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    Sander Lebau Well, perhaps she feels that you are, and perhaps a better response than blocking her would be for you to explain your opinion and position on the issue.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I'd rather block her for both our sakes. I guarantee you that she would've blocked or reported me if I called her a religiously-intolerant proselytizer, for example.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Well, what's the point of posting controversial statuses? Now from her perspective you're just some bigot who can't justify your beliefs, whereas you might have been able to change her mind by actually engaging her in discourse.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki And I already said that I'm kiboshing this debate.

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    Sander Lebau Actually, I know Becca, and she wouldn't do that. And of course I don't either.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    So, you don't like having to stand up for your own beliefs? You can preemptively turn comments off, if you don't actually want to defend posts like these.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I want to. Have I censored you two? Have I called you two names? Have I tried to proselytize you? Becca tried to censor and proselytize me by calling me a bigot for a Jewish/Christian belief that I have.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Okay, despite her harsh language, I hardly think she was trying to censor you... She had a pretty well thought-out argument aside from the ad hominem attacks, and to neglect that makes it look like you're incapable of backing up your opinions.

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    Sander Lebau Well, just because WE aren't being censored doesn't mean we can't care about others being silenced. You know what they say, first they came for the Communists, but I was no communist, then they came for the Gypsies, but I was no Gypsie...

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki That's enough, Sander. And she was the one being a Nazi, by the way. She was persecuting me for my legitimately-held religious and scientific belief that active homosexuality is wrong. By the way, "they" came for the Jews who held for years that active homosexuality was punishable by death.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Well, it probably would have seemed a lot more legitimate to her if you could have told her that rather than just blocking her... What you've done is actually antithetical to your beliefs, as now someone who was trying to reach out and possibly communicate you has now written you off.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki As I said, I don't have time for persecutors like her.

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    Sander Lebau But couldn't it also be said that she doesn't have time for persecutors like you?

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Again, why did you bother posting this if you don't have time to actually justify the beliefs behind it?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Who am I persecuting for holding that active homosexuality i wrong?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I do, and it's my wall.

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    Sander Lebau Well, homosexuals...

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Homosexuals.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Not at all.

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    Sander Lebau How so?

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Wait, so you do have the time to justify your beliefs? Why not think of it like that, rather than wasting time on persecutors? Change the persecutor's flawed belief to your superior one!

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Have I called them "homos", "sodomites", etc. once?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I just don't believe in same-sex marriage.

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    Sander Lebau Just because you haven't called someone a name doesn't mean you haven't persecuted them. You ARE kinda denying them a right just because of who they are...

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    Sander Lebau And one could say that that is persecution.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I'm not. I belireve that active homosexuality is a sin.

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    Sander Lebau Aren't you advocating they be denied the right to civil marriage and the government benefits therein?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Am I raiding their homes and dragging them out on the streets? Am I yelling "Sodomite!" every time that I see a homosexual?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki They can marry people of the opposite sex. Who's stopping them?

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    Sander Lebau I think your definition of "persecution" may be a tad too narrow...

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    Sander Lebau But... that's not who they are! Why should they be forced to marry someone they don't care for?

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    Sander Lebau That's... just cruel, Nicole.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Then maybe they can choose to be celibate like other homosexuals have done.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Then, G-d is cruel, huh, Sander?

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    Sander Lebau So, because you believe them to be wrong means that they must be forced to comply with your values?

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    So, it's okay to be gay, so long as you never express your mutual love for another person through physical intimacy?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Hey, Sander, am I advocating this? "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " That's what even Non-Messianic Judaism advocates. I'm not forcing them to do anything. I'm not going into homosexual weddings and stopping the weddings or killing or murdering the brides or grooms.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki I didn't say that. Being homosexual is unnatural and either a thorn in the flesh or a choice.

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    Sander Lebau But you are advocating that they be denied their rights because of who they are. Just because you aren't killing them or physically hurting them doesn't mean that you aren't persecuting them.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki So, Non-Messianic Juaism persecutes them, too, huh? By saying that what they're doing is an abomination? G-d's persecuting them?

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    Sander Lebau Yeah, kinda.

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    Sander Lebau That could be said.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Then take it up with G-d, not me.

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    Sander Lebau What do you think of the rest of Leviticus?

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    Sander Lebau He doesn't answer much these days.

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Have you tried talking to Him? " And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart. 14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD, and I will turn your captivity, and gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you back unto the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive. "

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki Whether you talk to G-d is your choice, but I'm telling you what Tanakh says.

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    Sander Lebau But what do you think about the rest of Leviticus?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki As far as Leviticus, the part about sexual morality remains in effect in the New Covenant. See Acts 15.

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    Jacob Lattner · Friends with Ally Schuele and 3 others

    Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
    
    Should it be legal for people to eat shellfish?

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    Nicole Maratovah Czarnecki That doesn't apply anymore. See Acts 15 and Romans 14.