In Case JFJ Decides To Delete My Conversation With Them

That Jew Died for You

 commented on a video on YouTube.

Shared publicly  -  Yesterday 6:25 PM

 

Hi Nicole, thanks for taking time to respond to the film, I hope you got a chance to watch the video explaining why we chose to make the film.  If you would like to continue a conversation or have any questions please go here thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/

Re Depression, "That Jew Died For You", and Other Issues

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Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 6:47 PM

 

 

I didn't even watch the video because I did not want to dignify or promote it in any way, shape, or form. As many have pointed out, many of the Nazis used Jesus (Yeshua) to commit horrid, Pseudo-Christian, Anti-Semitic (including Anti-Messianic) acts. As Holocaust survivor Edith Mayer Cord noted, Christianity was used by Martin Luther (who inspired much of Nazi ideology) to persecute Jews.

I knew right from the beginning that Moishe Rosen would never endorse or support using the Holocaust as a way to proselytize. "That Jew Died For You" crosses the line between sharing faith and proselytizing it; and, as Stuart Dauermann wrote (which I didn't even know):

"I remember Moishe (Moishe Rosen, Founder of Jews for Jesus) saying that one should never ask a survivor what he or she did to survive, because they all did things they are not proud of. He recognized that some things are hands off. Unfortunately, this film ignored that wisdom.

"Not everything that appears to advance the cause of the gospel is a good idea. This is why Moishe forbade JFJ to evangelize people under 18 without parental consent. He was wise: he realized it was inappropriate.  That kind of wisdom was missing in the release of this video."

Indeed (as Rev. Dauermann also noted), " I am afraid you triggered great animosity toward yourselves and the gospel.  Is it the gospel they are rejecting, or is it offensively poor taste? The answer is clear."

Look at YNet, VirtualJerusalem, and Ha'aretz for starters. I cringed when I saw how you affected Non-Messianic Jews and gentiles to perceive Messianic Judaism and Jews for Jesus.

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 7:33 PM

 

 

The film was Moishes idea...  You should watch it before you criticize.  It was made to fight against antisemitism and to show who Jesus really is.  He is the suffering servant.

The animosity was already there before we ever made the film.  Now many Jewish people are talking about Jesus.  When my own father first heard about Jesus he was very angry, but the Holy Spirit softened his heart and now he follows Jesus.  Please have a more faith in this film and the power of the holy spirit.  Feel free to talk to me or anyone else on our chat about any other questions or concerns you have.    http://thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 7:38 PM

 

 

+That Jew Died for You, then why wasn't it made when he was alive? You're succeeding in only sullying Moishe's memory, making the Gospel look foolish, and bringing down Jews For Jesus. What a shame. 

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 7:44 PM

 

 

Well, there wasn't a good way to get a film like this seen in a large scale while Moishe was alive and doing a film like this would have costed far more with far less quality.  So he had us wait.  I wish he was still alive to have seen it.  The film shows the Gospel played out during a Jewish tragedy, the concept was adapted and inspired by Marc Chagall's artistic works that also show Jesus in the holocaust.  By the way Marc Chagall isn't Messianic.  I really hope you reconsider and watch the film.  It is a good film that will help many Jews see Jesus in the best way possible.   

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 7:50 PM

 

 

+That Jew Died for You, I'd love to see the proof of that. If it was really Moishe's idea, wouldn't there have been a written statement from him on that? Also, wouldn't JFJ have released that statement after the backlash? So, you're trying to sully his memory and lie about him. One of the Aseret HaD'varim states that one should not bear false witness, and you're breaking that mitzvah. 

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 8:13 PM

 

 

We have original storyboards from Moishe and his wife and daughters will tell you the same.  Would you like his daughter to give you a call?

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 8:14 PM

 

 

Why don't you do the right thing and release them for everyone to see?

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 8:19 PM

 

 

Besides you, no one else has had an issue with the film being Moishe's idea.  But if showing you his story board will help you understand then I would be glad to share it.  I will send it tomorrow. 

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 8:32 PM

 

 

I would prefer that you do the right thing and release it for everybody to see. It received public backlash; it should be able to be defended in the public eye. After all, Yeshua Himself said, "there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light." (Mark 4:22

, NKJV) He also said through Kefa, "sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;  having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil." (1 Kefa [Peter] 3:15

-17)

If you really think that you can defend your claims, then do it. As Rev. Dauermann wrote correctly, "You will discover that your message is not getting across, but that people are repelled, disgusted, and enraged. Paul reminds us that it is no compliment when “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”" Even worse when the name of God is blasphemed among our own people!

That Jew Died for You

11:11 AM

 

 

So you are not interested in seeing them.  That is fine.  The louder, not necessarily larger, Jewish community is upset because of Jesus.  If it was merely just because of the Holocaust they would be equally upset with films like Schindler's List or Escape from Sobibor.  The truth is that though the knee jerk reaction is offence and anger from anti-missionary sites, they do not represent the larger Jewish community.  Stuart Dauermann does not know what the real reaction will be.  He only sees what the press puts out which has never been supportive of the Gospel.

Now you need to know that I am a great grandchild of a murdered great grandmother and several other family members in Auschwitz.  Though my parents are Messianic much of the rest of my family a mix of reformed conservative and orthodox Jews.  Most of witch have seen the film and are now considering Jesus.  Though you have your doubts, the truth is the film works well for those who are willing to listen.

My concern is to see Jewish people consider who Jesus is.  When anti-missionaries raise their voice it is there goal to distract me from my goal.  I am not here to defend the film and prove it came from Moishe to you, if you would like to speak to his family and ask them about it feel free.  

Nicole Czarnecki

2:47 PM

 

 

So, you're continuing to say that you're still willing to do the wrong thing and use your relatives to do it. Shame on you.

Sterling or Kerry: Whose Comments Are Worse For the U.S.?

This answer was originally for Sodahead, and quickly evolved into a blog entry:

Sadly, a Jewish guy making racist comments about Blacks is nothing new. Unfortunately, there is a whole lot of Jewish-Black animosity; and that stretches back to Biblical times (cf. Song 1:5-6, Jeremiah 13:23, Amos 9:7-9, Numbers 12. For Talmudic references, see Sanhedrin 108b, for example. I guessed that a reference would be there; but when I saw it...just wow!

(Incidentally, it gives me an idea of why my Crypto-Jewish granddad, who was born in Sugar Notch and had parents from areas where Blacks hardly resided [i.e., Lipsk, Poland and Hanover Township, PA], had negative attitudes about people whom he had hardly ever seen when he was growing up. In other words, he had a pretty-nasty pre-conceived idea about Blacks; and let me tell you, his paternal grandma came from an Orthodox—if not Haredi—Litvak family; so, the Talmud and Talmudic ideas were nothing new to him. His paternal granddad was a farmer, but he still could've studied the Talmud. Both were extremely literate, however, and certainly passed on Talmudic ideas to their son and grandson.

(I have no clue about his maternal grandparents; but I will say that his mother, who I knew briefly, did not have a racist bone in her body.).

Kerry's comments, on the other hand, bring Genesis 12:1-3 and other p'sukim into play. Let's just say that a self-hating kohein endangers everybody—himself, klal Yisra'el, and everyone over whom he has authority (and let me tell you, a Secretary of State carries some degree of authority to some extent).

How Were and/or Are You Affected By the Holocaust?

One incident that is particularly in my mind is the following:

For whatever reason, God appointed me to break through my family's bubbe meise that family had simply written for money during the Depression, and that we sent them food although we had to stop writing. I had found out that we are Jewish and started looking on YadVashem. When I saw the pictures of Vilmosz and Aron David "Dudus" Rusznak, I (so to speak) blew the cover off of what really happened. Then the story quickly changed from what Grandaunt Mary Ann hideously wrote in the 1999 family reunion letter (that is, that we stopped writing and sent food) to that Vilmosz and his in-law brother Zoli Grinfeld (z"l) wrote to us for financial help for which they never would have written otherwise.

As the convert branch and the descendants of Gyorgy "Gyorgy Kvetkovits" Rusznak, we were their absolutely-last resort. Realizing that they should've risked getting out of Europe after all (despite that, for example, they had young children with them and Vilmosz's mother had died in 1937), they wrote to us to ask for help—it was an act of piku'ach nefesh, not an act of wanting money (After all, they could've done quite well without us had they had the chance to do so. Vilmosz, e.g., owned a bakery; and he knew that the U.S. was hit harder in the Depression than Slovakian Hungary was hit, since the U.S. had been the better-off country.

When I blew that cover (and part of doing so was contating Alan Sidransky and telling him what we did), people got mad. The reason that I say "what we did", by the way, is because we're just as responsible as Great-Grandma Gaydos as long as we continue to cover up for her and lie about what she did, and what she did is out in the open now. Besides, compare Andrew Rusnak in a few years prior (He was born on November 1, 1877.):

Incidentally, this is one that I scanned in poorly from my own copy of the 1999 Reunion Book.

And in 1946 (He died on February 9, 1947. He also assumed that his brother Stef was still in Czechoslovakia—he didn't even want to know if his brother died.):



That's when that he was as complicit as his daughter became clear. G-d will punish those who hurt His people (including those among His people who hurt their mishpacha) and their descendants down to the third and fourth generations. I'm of Generation Four (from Andrew Rusnak) and Generation Three (from Mary Gaydos), and the subsequent third and fourth generations will be punished if we do not talk about it.

By the way, that Julia Fosko Rusnak died when she did is a blessing. Indeed, the righteous are taken away while nobody understands why they are! How do you think that she felt sending her sons (including Andy) to war when she damned well knew that they could become Holocaust victims? After all, a Jewish POW—whether Messianic or Non Messianic, Anusi or openly Jewish, or from the U.S. or England—held no distinction to the Germans:




To the Germans (save for the Gomerim Tzdukim), a Jew was a Jew (and not in a good way!). In fact, Great-Great-Grandma Rusnak (like so many other Jewish mothers) has to be one of the unsung heroes of the Holocaust—sending a son or daughter to fight the very enemy who could commit ethnocide against him or her is one of the ultimate acts of maternal sacrifice.

By the way, to Grandaunt Mary Ann, you don't necessarily have to be part of the Czarnecki Family Tree—in fact, your sister's dad-in-law's family wanted nothing to do with Great-Granddad Czarnecki once his parents became Anusim; so, you don't have to worry about the Czarneckis! You are responsible for covering up for your mother, though—and you are Sandor's age (and I'm sure that Sandor is in Heaven with his brother and his parents, and I fully believe that Jesus was with them as He was with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego)!

The damage that your mother did and the damage that you have continued is unbelievable! All I can tell you is to remember that Jesus Himself said that what is hidden will be revealed, and that what is in the darkness will come to light—and I can only hope that you get to meet Sandor and the rest of our family in Heaven, because to do what you've done and not repent for it is not a good sign.

Perhaps you'll take Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's words to heart:

So I ask: How is it possible that so many people failed to understand the reality? The bitter and tragic truth is this: it is not that they did not see it. They did not want to see it. And why did they choose not to see the truth? Because they did not want to face the consequences of that truth.During the 1930′s, when the Nazis were gaining momentum, the influence of the trauma of the First World War was still fresh. Twenty years earlier, the people of the West experienced a terrible trench war, a war which claimed the lives of 16 million people. Therefore, the leaders of the West operated on the basis of one axiom: avoid another confrontation at any cost, and thus they laid the foundation for the most terrible war in human history. This axiom of avoiding conflict at any cost, this axiom was adopted not only by the leaders. The people themselves, primarily the educated ones, shared it too....
Month after month, year after year, more and more information was received in London, Paris and Washington regarding the capabilities and intentions of the Nazi regime. The picture was becoming clear to everybody. However, “they have eyes, but cannot see; they have ears, but cannot hear.”When you refuse to accept reality as it is, you can deny it. And this is precisely what the leaders of the West did. They dismissed the murderous Nazi rhetoric as internal German politics; they downplayed the seriousness of the danger of the military build-up of the Nazis, claiming that it was the result of the natural will of a proud nation, that it should be taken into consideration, that it should be accepted.The reality was clear, but it was cloaked in a bubble of illusions. This bubble was burst by the stealth attack by the Nazis on Europe. And the price of the illusion and desire was very heavy because by the time the leaders of the West finally acted, their people paid a terrible price. World War II claimed the lives not of 16 million people, the unimaginable number of victims during World War I, but of 60 million, including one third of our people, who were butchered by the Nazi beast.Citizens of Israel, my brothers and sisters,Has the world learned from the mistakes of the past? Today, we are again facing clear facts and a tangible threat.