In Case JFJ Decides To Delete My Conversation With Them

That Jew Died for You

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Hi Nicole, thanks for taking time to respond to the film, I hope you got a chance to watch the video explaining why we chose to make the film.  If you would like to continue a conversation or have any questions please go here thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/

Re Depression, "That Jew Died For You", and Other Issues

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Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 6:47 PM

 

 

I didn't even watch the video because I did not want to dignify or promote it in any way, shape, or form. As many have pointed out, many of the Nazis used Jesus (Yeshua) to commit horrid, Pseudo-Christian, Anti-Semitic (including Anti-Messianic) acts. As Holocaust survivor Edith Mayer Cord noted, Christianity was used by Martin Luther (who inspired much of Nazi ideology) to persecute Jews.

I knew right from the beginning that Moishe Rosen would never endorse or support using the Holocaust as a way to proselytize. "That Jew Died For You" crosses the line between sharing faith and proselytizing it; and, as Stuart Dauermann wrote (which I didn't even know):

"I remember Moishe (Moishe Rosen, Founder of Jews for Jesus) saying that one should never ask a survivor what he or she did to survive, because they all did things they are not proud of. He recognized that some things are hands off. Unfortunately, this film ignored that wisdom.

"Not everything that appears to advance the cause of the gospel is a good idea. This is why Moishe forbade JFJ to evangelize people under 18 without parental consent. He was wise: he realized it was inappropriate.  That kind of wisdom was missing in the release of this video."

Indeed (as Rev. Dauermann also noted), " I am afraid you triggered great animosity toward yourselves and the gospel.  Is it the gospel they are rejecting, or is it offensively poor taste? The answer is clear."

Look at YNet, VirtualJerusalem, and Ha'aretz for starters. I cringed when I saw how you affected Non-Messianic Jews and gentiles to perceive Messianic Judaism and Jews for Jesus.

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 7:33 PM

 

 

The film was Moishes idea...  You should watch it before you criticize.  It was made to fight against antisemitism and to show who Jesus really is.  He is the suffering servant.

The animosity was already there before we ever made the film.  Now many Jewish people are talking about Jesus.  When my own father first heard about Jesus he was very angry, but the Holy Spirit softened his heart and now he follows Jesus.  Please have a more faith in this film and the power of the holy spirit.  Feel free to talk to me or anyone else on our chat about any other questions or concerns you have.    http://thatjewdiedforyou.com/chat-now/

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 7:38 PM

 

 

+That Jew Died for You, then why wasn't it made when he was alive? You're succeeding in only sullying Moishe's memory, making the Gospel look foolish, and bringing down Jews For Jesus. What a shame. 

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 7:44 PM

 

 

Well, there wasn't a good way to get a film like this seen in a large scale while Moishe was alive and doing a film like this would have costed far more with far less quality.  So he had us wait.  I wish he was still alive to have seen it.  The film shows the Gospel played out during a Jewish tragedy, the concept was adapted and inspired by Marc Chagall's artistic works that also show Jesus in the holocaust.  By the way Marc Chagall isn't Messianic.  I really hope you reconsider and watch the film.  It is a good film that will help many Jews see Jesus in the best way possible.   

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 7:50 PM

 

 

+That Jew Died for You, I'd love to see the proof of that. If it was really Moishe's idea, wouldn't there have been a written statement from him on that? Also, wouldn't JFJ have released that statement after the backlash? So, you're trying to sully his memory and lie about him. One of the Aseret HaD'varim states that one should not bear false witness, and you're breaking that mitzvah. 

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 8:13 PM

 

 

We have original storyboards from Moishe and his wife and daughters will tell you the same.  Would you like his daughter to give you a call?

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 8:14 PM

 

 

Why don't you do the right thing and release them for everyone to see?

That Jew Died for You

Yesterday 8:19 PM

 

 

Besides you, no one else has had an issue with the film being Moishe's idea.  But if showing you his story board will help you understand then I would be glad to share it.  I will send it tomorrow. 

Nicole Czarnecki

Yesterday 8:32 PM

 

 

I would prefer that you do the right thing and release it for everybody to see. It received public backlash; it should be able to be defended in the public eye. After all, Yeshua Himself said, "there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light." (Mark 4:22

, NKJV) He also said through Kefa, "sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;  having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil." (1 Kefa [Peter] 3:15

-17)

If you really think that you can defend your claims, then do it. As Rev. Dauermann wrote correctly, "You will discover that your message is not getting across, but that people are repelled, disgusted, and enraged. Paul reminds us that it is no compliment when “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”" Even worse when the name of God is blasphemed among our own people!

That Jew Died for You

11:11 AM

 

 

So you are not interested in seeing them.  That is fine.  The louder, not necessarily larger, Jewish community is upset because of Jesus.  If it was merely just because of the Holocaust they would be equally upset with films like Schindler's List or Escape from Sobibor.  The truth is that though the knee jerk reaction is offence and anger from anti-missionary sites, they do not represent the larger Jewish community.  Stuart Dauermann does not know what the real reaction will be.  He only sees what the press puts out which has never been supportive of the Gospel.

Now you need to know that I am a great grandchild of a murdered great grandmother and several other family members in Auschwitz.  Though my parents are Messianic much of the rest of my family a mix of reformed conservative and orthodox Jews.  Most of witch have seen the film and are now considering Jesus.  Though you have your doubts, the truth is the film works well for those who are willing to listen.

My concern is to see Jewish people consider who Jesus is.  When anti-missionaries raise their voice it is there goal to distract me from my goal.  I am not here to defend the film and prove it came from Moishe to you, if you would like to speak to his family and ask them about it feel free.  

Nicole Czarnecki

2:47 PM

 

 

So, you're continuing to say that you're still willing to do the wrong thing and use your relatives to do it. Shame on you.

Sterling or Kerry: Whose Comments Are Worse For the U.S.?

This answer was originally for Sodahead, and quickly evolved into a blog entry:

Sadly, a Jewish guy making racist comments about Blacks is nothing new. Unfortunately, there is a whole lot of Jewish-Black animosity; and that stretches back to Biblical times (cf. Song 1:5-6, Jeremiah 13:23, Amos 9:7-9, Numbers 12. For Talmudic references, see Sanhedrin 108b, for example. I guessed that a reference would be there; but when I saw it...just wow!

(Incidentally, it gives me an idea of why my Crypto-Jewish granddad, who was born in Sugar Notch and had parents from areas where Blacks hardly resided [i.e., Lipsk, Poland and Hanover Township, PA], had negative attitudes about people whom he had hardly ever seen when he was growing up. In other words, he had a pretty-nasty pre-conceived idea about Blacks; and let me tell you, his paternal grandma came from an Orthodox—if not Haredi—Litvak family; so, the Talmud and Talmudic ideas were nothing new to him. His paternal granddad was a farmer, but he still could've studied the Talmud. Both were extremely literate, however, and certainly passed on Talmudic ideas to their son and grandson.

(I have no clue about his maternal grandparents; but I will say that his mother, who I knew briefly, did not have a racist bone in her body.).

Kerry's comments, on the other hand, bring Genesis 12:1-3 and other p'sukim into play. Let's just say that a self-hating kohein endangers everybody—himself, klal Yisra'el, and everyone over whom he has authority (and let me tell you, a Secretary of State carries some degree of authority to some extent).

Open Letter To Caroline Glick (For Transparency's Sake And In Case She Decides To Delete It)

Ms. Glick:

I find your article “American Jewry’s Fight” extremely offensive and nothing more than lashon hara. Messianic Jews like me (in my case, whose family members were Anusim—and many still are such) love and support Israel and find a Jewish man to be the Jewish Messiah, and want to share a Jewish message with Jewish people. In fact, many of my family remain Anusim because of fellow Jews like you—they are ashamed to be associated and/or affiliated with anyone who would reject them and/or others based on that they’re seen as “anti-Zionist Jews” who “engage in activities aimed at harming, defaming, weakening and delegitimizing the Jewish state.”

You also opine, “Everyone understands that while Jews have a perfect right to change their religion, they have no right to force the Jewish community to accept Christians as Jews. That is, they have no right to change the definition of Judaism to include people who worship Jesus.” Either I and other Messianic Jews are nobodies (and this is including many of my family—including quite a few Anusim, who would openly and proudly be Jewish were they not in dread of the likes of you) or you have shown your true—self-hating, intolerant, and hypocritical—colors. Clearly, you sides with the left when for you to do so is for your traditionally-religious convenience.

You also perhaps understand why some Messianic Jews may want nothing to do with Israel—your ilk, after all, is running Medinat Yisra’el and excluding pro-Israel (even if misguided and pro-“Palestinian”) Reconstructionist, Conservative, and even other Jews—such as fellow Orthodox Jews of yours—who don’t toe your line. You also nastily write on your website, “Obviously, the answer is no value. To do something you feel is intrinsically meaningless just because your forefathers did the same meaningless thing is a waste of time. If Judaism has nothing to offer beyond lox and Seinfeld, then there is no reason to remain Jewish.”

Then you lament, “Outside of the Orthodox Jewish community, intermarriage rates have reached 71 percent. Thirty-two percent of Jews born since 1980 and 22% of Jews overall do not describe themselves as Jews by religion. They base their Jewish identity on ancestry, ethnicity or culture.” Your kind of attitude will only affect the intermarriage and secularization rates to increase, and for fellow Jews of all denominations—including Messianic Judaism—to increasingly disassociate themselves from Medinat Yisra’el. Your kind of attitude will also only affect Jews like many in my family to be ashamed of and hide that they’re Jewish.

PS I hope that you’re not proud of yourself, because I’m surely not—in fact, I ashamed that people like you are a part of my people.

Nicole Czarnecki

Why The Hell Do I Care About My Self-Loathing Family, Especially When They Persecute Me?

I'm more worried about my family than I am about me, and I worry about other families who think that: a) I and others are joking. b) I and others are lying. Jeremiah 8:1-6 is going to be applying to my and other families if we don't get our **** together really soon, and that's what scares me—I didn't choose to find out that, in my own family's case, we're Jewish and we betrayed relatives during the Holocaust. I, as was everyone else who didn't know, was told that relatives wrote to us during the Great Depression to ask for money. Nobody told me that a cousin named Vilmosz Rusznak was desperately reaching out to cousins whom he considered apostates, let alone that we stopped writing to him—and the worst part is that not only are we in denial about what happened and the consequences of the happening, but we're also getting awfully close to making the same mistakes and having worse befall us for doing so.

We have relatives who were closer to those relatives and who are in Israel now, and we could very well let them fall into the hands of Rouhani, Putin, etc. if we don't get our **** together—and what does G-d say will happen if we even stay in the Diaspora, let alone leave our relatives who are already in Israel unhelped? 
"“At that time,” says the Lord, “they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of its princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves. 2 They shall spread them before the sun and the moon and all the host of heaven, which they have loved and which they have served and after which they have walked, which they have sought and which they have worshiped. They shall not be gathered nor buried; they shall be like refuse on the face of the earth. 3 Then death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of those who remain of this evil family, who remain in all the places where I have driven them,” says the Lord of hosts." (Jeremiah 8:1-3)


Nonetheless, I really resent that people would say that I am lying about what happened. What reason would I have to lie? You think that I like what happened, let alone that I'm getting persecuted for finding it out and talking about it? Give me a break—and I'm not here to help only our family: I'm here to help both our family and families who have been in situations like ours.

By the way, the United States is currently ~$16.965976 Trillion dollars in debt. We're not going to have a place to which to turn when push comes to shove—Vilmosz tried to make aliyah when the time for him to do so came too late; and our secret is out now—Poland, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, etc. are not our lands—, so Europe won't back accepting us when "each shall flee to his own land" (cf. Isaiah 13:14 and Jeremiah 50:16).

That said, "“Now therefore, fear the Lord, serve Him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River and in Egypt. Serve the Lord! And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”"

You do what you want; I'm making aliyah, and I'm not helping you when push comes to shove—I have family who will listen to help out. 

Update: Here's how I put it to a friend with pictures:

• I am worried.

  My one cousin in particular thinks that I'm making **** up and that this is all a joke to me.

  And looking at what times we're in now, I'm really worried about his fate.

  This is the nasty comment that I received from him—and this after I found out that my great-great-granddad Rusnak was complicit in the deaths of his cousins who were murdered in the Holocaust:
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  "How could you possibly presume guilt from a picture taken years later? You must really hate your family and hate your ancestry. Andy and Julia were not ethnic Jews, and had no cousin named Vilmosz. Vilmosz's family never reached out to the Zlata Idka Fosko/Rusnaks. Your thinking and your comments about Andrew Rusnak make me sick. Why don't you share your beliefs with Joseph Rusnak and see what he thinks about your comments about his grandfather?"
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  And I've told Joe—he laughed.

  That is, I told him that we're Jewish. He doesn't believe it.
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  And what am I supposed to do when the U.S. and global economies crash; WWIII happens, and they get wiped out? After all, "death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of those who remain of this evil family, who remain in all the places where I have driven them,” says the Lord of hosts."
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  Not only that, but we're still ****ed up from what my great-great-granddad and my great-grandma (his oldest daughter did). If you count from him, I am of the fourth generation from him. From her, I am of the third.

  
  

  "‘The Lord is longsuffering and abundant in mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He by no means clears the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation.’"
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  And this is what he looked like 27 vs. 69, by the way....

  At 27: https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1070017_206618619494801_1559005036_n.jpg

  

  At 69 (about two years after Vilmosz and other cousins died at Auschwitz): https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/995923_206618582828138_1461355789_n.jpg

  

  And he had quit working in the coal mines in his 30s to 40s. He did not do any more hard labor after that. He was a church sexton and cemetery caretaker.
• Where else would that kind of wearing down come from? G-d curses those who do such heinous things as my great-great-granddad did. And this was him shortly before that...

  https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581641_206618032828193_1103245314_n.jpg

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Update: I want to know what you would do: 

  
  

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